The KKK wins court cases so they can do Community Service.

Midyarth · Post by **Midyarth** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:30 pm

The KKK adopted a 1 mile stretch of Missouri 21 or somthing. Its pretty retarted.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... n_highways

thekons · Post by **thekons** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:43 pm

Good for them.

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:29 pm

I tend to be of the opinion that if the group is a legal organization that is of the category that the Highway Clean up program was intended to work with then they should not be barred.

Be that a KKK group, Black Panther, Gay and Lesbian, or otherwise.

If they want to have the program they need to be fair in its offering.

Narith · Post by **Narith** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:30 am

I agree, be it Nazis, KKK, or Rsak.. These programs are set up to the public and by denying someone the ability to participate in a public program due to personal opinions or affiliations is just as discriminatory as the group in this case is biggoted.

Klast Brell · Post by **Klast Brell** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:14 am

In this case I side with free speech advocates. Better to let the KKK make an ass of themselves in public where we can all debate it and learn from it.
If I lived in the area I would toss my garbage on the side of that highway every day.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:10 am

I could see one reason for barring them - if the group had any criminal convictions associated with it.

Torakus · Post by **Torakus** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:59 am

I think you have to balance the groups known history of violent criminal activity and overt racism, with their right to participate in community projects like this. I can fully understand and support the State of Missouri's wish to not lend any legitimacy to this organization. The KKK stands for things that are not acceptable in our society. Even if their actions of late are within the bounds of our law, their publicly stated goals are not and that is all the reason needed to exclude them from state supported civic activity.

This is not a free speech issue. This is the KKK wanting their name up on signs along the highway in a state supported project. If I lived their I would chance being arrested for destruction/vandalism charges for tearing every highway clean up sign that mentioned KKK that I saw.

I would do the same for any organization of this ilk.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:44 am

But then, Torakus, who decides what is or is not a morally acceptable group to have signs?

Legal issues, not moral ones, can be the only benchmark a givernment should take.

Shallon · Post by **Shallon** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:59 am

It will probably be the cleanest section of highway, working them prison gangs was great practice for them.

Post by **Ddrak** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:13 pm

In other news, due to a clerical error, the Black Panthers were assigned the same stretch of road. Ernie's Discount Funeral Parlor has volunteered to take over the adoption of the stretch of road after the current period is over.

Dd

Laylee · Post by **Laylee** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:45 pm

Torakus wrote:The KKK stands for things that are not acceptable in our society. Even if their actions of late are within the bounds of our law, their publicly stated goals are not and that is all the reason needed to exclude them from state supported civic activity.

The dark ages were quite some time ago Torakus. If someone's ideals are enough to have them kicked out of society, then women would still be relegated to popping out children and blacks would still be slaves.

That is NOT to say that this country will be adopting their views any time soon. However, it is this country's freedoms that make us what we are. They are allowed to hate people all they want as long as they aren't breaking any laws, or the guidelines of the road commission.

Laylee

Zyllen · Post by **Zyllen** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 4:21 pm

Relbeek Einre wrote:Legal issues, not moral ones, can be the only benchmark a givernment should take.

Freudian slips are fun

I agree, only legal issues should be a determining factor here.

jookkor · Post by **jookkor** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:14 pm

I am normally not very anal about spelling or grammer, mostly because I myself make horrendous mistakes I would be mortified to leave uncorrected if internet forums mattered in the slightest. But.........Spelling "retarded" wrong makes the irony monkey fling poo at me and I cant stop giggling.

jookkor · Post by **jookkor** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:17 pm

And to add my two cents about the topic...Let the KKK do what they want. Trying to stop them just gives them a bigger platform if they sue. let them run their lame little white power rallies and pretend a stretch of land means anything. perhaps they will bust out with some of their 1980-2000 rhetoric and end up being slammed for promoting domestic terorism.

yutsano · Post by **yutsano** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:00 am

If I lived there I would chance being arrested for destruction/vandalism charges for tearing every highway clean up sign that mentioned KKK that I saw.

And that would be the only legitimate reason I could think of to block this: namely, that the amount of litter would increase so greatly and the vandalism costs be so high that the state would have a legitimate interest in blocking the application. The problem is that all the ducks would have to be in a row or else a judge ain't buyin' it. Plus I haven't found any precedents for blocking on these grounds.

P.S. Fix'd the grammar mistake Tora.

Narith · Post by **Narith** » Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:04 am

Meh, it will give the police somewhere to sit at the end of the month when they are low on thier ticket quota.

Eidolon Faer · Post by **Eidolon Faer** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:37 pm

Narith...

That bit about the ticket quota almost got the "Coke out the nose" award from me. There were so many layers to the irony in that image, I have a brief Zen moment. Thanks.

1. Will the cop use racial profiling?

2. Is wearing a hood with eyeholes a safety hazard while driving?

3. Will the speeding ticket be written on an actual flaming cross?

4. What if the cop is black?

Midyarth · Post by **Midyarth** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:30 pm

On an UpSide maybe this will pull the gangs of the United States of America seen here http://www.streetgangs.com

Together and to Missouri they go.

Fobbon Lazyfoot · Post by **Fobbon Lazyfoot** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:36 pm

Discriminating against a group based on the fact that they're a discriminatory group... sure...