OK, some lawyers SHOULD be shot.

Shallon · Post by **Shallon** » Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:11 pm

God damn you Darwin, do something about these people.

Zyllen · Post by **Zyllen** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:57 am

Rsak wrote:The poor thing allegedly drugs and gang rapes a 16 year old and is upset that while violating his bail and is being sentenced to 24 hr surveilance while awaiting a complete trial.

This is true, but the kid is under 24 hour surveillance so that Bubba doesn't whip out his dick and sodomize the kid.

I'm sure the poor kid would be much better off without the surveillance, that way he'll be free from any guards listening to his private conversations (a.k.a. crying for his mommy) with Bubba while being anally rammed.

Of course his back would still hurt, as would his ass.

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:02 am

I generally do not support treating non-convicted defendants the same way as prisoners, but if that is the way it is normally done then I don't have a problem with it.

Zyllen · Post by **Zyllen** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:05 am

I can see your point there, but I think the norm in most states is that people awaiting trial may be kept in the same facilities as convicted criminals.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:18 am

Falundir X`Viento wrote:IMO the defense has already lost. No 16 year old girl is going to be trained well enough to completely ignore the pain that having a object inserted into her so forcefully that it tears her vagina and anus. I spent many years in the drug scene, and I've only seen 2 drugs that would negate that kind of pain, and I highly doubt they would have access to them.

The only remote chance they have is to go for a hung jury.

I completely agree with Falundir. I just don't believe thaty ou can have a pool stick shoved in and out of a woman and to be able to fake being unconscious. I however don't believe in a mere 27 years of wasting american tax dollars. This is why I believe in the death penalty.

Klast Brell · Post by **Klast Brell** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:32 pm

Shit like this just makes me mad.

If you have the money for the big lawyers you can receive special treatment in jail. That’s fucked. Why does this kid deserve special protection? Why don’t all inmates get protection?
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/ ... .html#_1_5

In December 2000, the Prison Journal published a study based on a survey of inmates in seven men's prison facilities in four states. The results showed that 21 percent of the inmates had experienced at least one episode of pressured or forced sexual contact since being incarcerated, and at least 7 percent had been raped in their facility. A 1996 study of the Nebraska prison system produced similar findings, with 22 percent of male inmates reporting that they had been pressured or forced to have sexual contact against their will while incarcerated. Of these, over 50 percent had submitted to forced anal sex at least once. Extrapolating these findings to the national level gives a total of at least 140,000 inmates who have been raped.

Eidolon Faer · Post by **Eidolon Faer** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:04 pm

Why does this kid deserve special protection? Why don’t all inmates get protection?

Interesting argument, Klast.

Are you making the case that the guy deserves to be raped because he's a sl00t, and his evil money is preventing poetic justice, are you suggesting that each prisoner should be placed in solitary confinement where only one person can shove foreign objects into their rectum, or are you merely advocating free condom distribution within prisons?

Shallon · Post by **Shallon** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:13 pm

I think he is saying that prisons and jails should be cracking (no pun intended) down on sexual crimes in house, not just for sick rich fucks, but for everyone. Going to jail/prison shouldn't immediately require you to learn a train doesnt just run on tracks.

Shallon · Post by **Shallon** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:15 pm

Sorry for double post.

Also, he should not get special treatment regardless. He was out. He violated his terms of release on several occasions. He had sex with anothe runderage girl. Boo frickin hoo.

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:19 pm

But he was not out on parole.. he was out on bail. He is still unconvicted!

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:20 pm

Too bad. That's the sort of thing that gets bail revoked in this country.

Harlowe · Post by **Harlowe** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:24 pm

It's a shame he couldn't follow the terms of his release.

/boo boo lip

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:24 pm

Rsak wrote:But he was not out on parole.. he was out on bail. He is still unconvicted!

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:06 pm

I am not complaining that he is being punished for violating the conditions of his bail, but the notion that he should be treated like a convicted criminal is not appropriate. There should be different treatment between a convicted inmate and a non-convicted inmate.

Narith · Post by **Narith** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:43 pm

Eidolon Faer wrote:
Why does this kid deserve special protection? Why don’t all inmates get protection?
Interesting argument, Klast.

Are you making the case that the guy deserves to be raped because he's a sl00t, and his evil money is preventing poetic justice, are you suggesting that each prisoner should be placed in solitary confinement where only one person can shove foreign objects into their rectum, or are you merely advocating free condom distribution within prisons?

I think he is arguing that as 79% of the prison population surveyed had NO forced/rape/pressured sex in prison that the odds are against him being raped and therefore why does he need the protection? (which we all know that prisoners have families and if they find out what he did to an underage girl he most likely would be, but by the numbers alone it shows he needs little or no protection, and besides, if he was innocent of the crime why is he afraid of retrabution?).

He violated bail which in normal circumstances means being placed back in the prison population.

Also no normal person is afforded this type of "protection" while waiting for trial so why does this guy get it?

Karma is a bitch ain't it

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:00 pm

and besides, if he was innocent of the crime why is he afraid of retrabution?

It is spelled Retribution and the reason he should fear it is because there are people in this world who reach conclusions without actually looking at the evidence as visible by this very thread. In the eyes of the law he is innocent until proven guilty and despite how personally attached to the victim or biased against the defendant you happen to be he is entitled to that right.

To support vigalante justice or Karma as you put it at this point in time degrades yourself to the level of the act that this man allegedly committed.

Shallon · Post by **Shallon** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:40 pm

Its spelled vigilante, not "vigalante" you moron.

Fucking grammar nazi.

Rsak · Post by **Rsak** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:05 pm

You aren't entitled to the title grammar nazi until you attack someone for making the typo..

So fuck off you grammar nazi!

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:12 pm

Rsak wrote:I am not complaining that he is being punished for violating the conditions of his bail, but the notion that he should be treated like a convicted criminal is not appropriate. There should be different treatment between a convicted inmate and a non-convicted inmate.

A non-convicted inmate.... non-convicted... inmate.....

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:23 pm

Actually, Embar, there are people who are incarcerated for quite a while prior to conviction.