I finally saw F9/11...

[jookkor]

blah you were supposed to continue so I could be all anal and babble nonsensical semantics. Rsak is not gonna live forever ya know. We must prepare for the vaccuum.

[Ddrak]

lol

I had a big response typed out and paused and thought "WTF am I doing?" and deleted it.

Dd

[jookkor]

muahaha its infectious

[Aviehnda Spearmaiden]

On 9/11 I recall having a class at my college (3 minute walk from my off campus apt) at 9:10 that day, which means my alarm was not set to go off till 8:55. I distinctly remember being woken up almost 15 minutes early by a loud plane that went directly overhead, and then a few minutes later hearing my roommate talking about how a small plane (not a jet) flew into the twin towers from what she heard on a radio boradcast - my college was in the SW bronx, so we were right under its flight path. I also remember getting up, brushing my teeth, running downstairs in my PJ's to my boyfriend's apt to turn on the news (my TV was broken, long story) and even though I had thought this was a great excuse to be late to class, my boyfriend's roommate was almost out the door when the second plane hit - at this point, people on the news were still wondering about what type of plane hit the first building.

The roommate went to class anyway, and I remember him telling me later on that no one in the college had the faintest idea about the planes until halfway through the class - us being less than 10 miles north of the twin towers - so I really don't know how other schools outside of NYC were able to respond that much quicker, especially not right after the first plane hit, cause no one knew the implications. Hell, the first thing my boyfriend did was call his brother who worked a few blocks south of the WTC, and his building didn't start evacuations till quite a bit after the second plane hit, and to that, I think that everyone kinda went on their own to some underground shelter in the building before going outside, cause no one knew what was going on. Most of these people were in the office, heard/felt loud explosions, but weren't in front of a tv to discern if it was even safe to go outside. I will never forget watching CNN that morning - even the anchors didn't know what to say.

Anyway, sorry to blabber on, but the point I was trying to make was, except for maybe the towers themselves, no one knew enough to evacuate buildings before the second plane. My future brother-in-law had a perfect view of the towers from his office, and even his building didn't panic till the second building was hit. Back then, who honestly thought that someone would attack the U.S. anyway? I know I had a completely different mindset.

[LayraLilliane]

Talk about a COMPLEX!

Maybe it is true that Toronto did let people go, since a lot of people here in Canada probably had relatives working/living in NYC. That would make the most sense.

[Angelfeeties]

Atira is 100% wrong in her statement that Toronto was evacuating before the second plane hit. That isn't a matter of opinion, that is a matter of recorded fact. Cope.

Yo Dd, question. I have read through your first link, which i posted above i could not find anything that related to Canada in it. I read threw Atira's posted links, and apart from banks clearing out with times listed, there was not other mention about a time when buildings evac'd.

So, bear with me for a minute.

When you say 'Toronto was evac'ing before the second plane hit is 100% false', you are actaully in error.
Were buildings in Toronto being evaccuated after the first plane hit? Yes.
Were ALL buildings in Toronto being evaccuated? Of Course Not.
Were boss's and managers telling their staff to go home after the first plane hit? Yes. (my aunt was told to go home after the first place hit).
Is there any possible to way to determine what exactly happened to hundreds of thousands of workers in Toronto inbetween the strikes? No Fucking Way.

So you can continue to sit there and tell yourself your correct about the above quote, or you can come to the realization that there is no recorded way to tell what happened to those hundreds of thousands of people other then word of mouth.

Or hell, maybe i am completely wrong, im delusional, my brain is mafunctioning because of polluted air, and i have made up my aunt to try to thwart the evil message board persona's to ease my own appetite for Brell Rants dominance.

[Aabe]

Sorry I never saw the movie.

It is a health issue thing. I dont like doing things that make other people unhealthy.

I saw that Mikey is much over weight, enough to be bad for his health.

I figured if I paid money for the movie, he might take the royalites and go buy a big mac or something.

I would never be able to sleep at night, knowing I might be responsible for a little more plaque build up in Mikeys arteries.

[Ddrak]

And Angelfeeties makes the final backpedal, saying by "Toronto was evacuating" his mother really means "Isolated workplaces in Toronto may have told a few employees to go home". Your idea that I'm claiming to know what anyone's thinking is just a strawman - I never claimed such a thing and never meant such a thing.

The simple fact is, Toronto (as a city of millions of people) was not evacuating before 9:03am. Toronto, and for that matter anyone else in the world, didn't know exactly what hit the first tower at 9:03am and sure as hell didn't know it was terrorism. I would be very surprised if your aunt's recollections of the event are, in fact, accurate because if so then her boss is a paranoid freak - sending people home because of something that was assumed to be a simple accident at the time in a city hundreds of miles away is just bizarre.

As for there being any way to determine what hundreds of thousands of people did as a general population, there's many ways. In fact, it's fairly well documented from news reports post-911 that Toronto (and most US cities) were not seriously evacuating until 30-60 minutes after the second plane hit.

So, to directly address your statements in simple terms:

Were buildings in Toronto being evaccuated after the first plane hit? Maybe, but they were very isolated and no one at that point knew there were multiple planes in the air, or that terrorism was even involved.
Were ALL buildings in Toronto being evaccuated? Nope, not even a majority, or a significant minority for that matter.
Were boss's and managers telling their staff to go home after the first plane hit? Not in any significant numbers. Remember, they didn't know about other planes, didn't know about terrorism and didn't really know anything in those 15 minutes. So, the more accurate answer would be "No, bosses and managers were not" which isn't an exclusive statement but a simple general comment.
Is there any possible to way to determine what exactly happened to hundreds of thousands of workers in Toronto inbetween the strikes? Absolutely - the mass movements of people out of the ordinary are well documented and easy to track. The media does a surprisingly good job of this.

Remember Atira's comment that planes were already being diverted and landing at Toronto? That's verifiably false and shows just how bad the human mind is at remembering timelines through crisis situations.

But please, continue to offer strawmen and deny the recorded evidence. Makes for fun arguments.

Dd

[Angelfeeties]

Were buildings in Toronto being evaccuated after the first plane hit? Maybe

Thanks. I stopped there. That clearly shows that you cannot back up what you say 100%. My point is proven.

Angel

[Rsak]

Thanks. I stopped there. That clearly shows that you cannot back up what you say 100%. My point is proven.

How is it proven when you can't back up your statements 100% either?

[Ddrak]

Thanks. I stopped there. That clearly shows that you cannot back up what you say 100%. My point is proven.

Apparently you are having trouble comprehending the difference between "Toronto was being evacuated" and "Some isolated workplace in Toronto may have been evacuated, but even that is unlikely" then you need to head back to first grade and start learning English all over again.

Of course, the fact you cut my quote off just goes to show the lengths you have to go to in order to even scrape together some semblance of an argument. Sorry kid, but you lose. Go back to school and learn some more, ok?

Atira was 100% wrong when she said "Toronto was being evacuated". Simple fact is *Toronto* was not being evacuated and no matter how many stupid strawmen you want to fly about, or how deficient in comprehension you want to prove yourself, her statement is wrong.

So, Angel, I've backed up everything I say 100%. You've just waved your arms around and tried to argue stupidity. The only point proven here is that you're too stupid to realize when you're wrong.

Dd