The Politics of Hate

[Embar Angylwrath]

Eido,

I'll be responding as soon as the shit finishes hitting the fan here at work. I just turned in my resignation today. My current employer and soon to be new employer are in a bidding war.

Suddenly I am apparently worth a crapload more. It's like a bad relationship where your partner doesn't realize how good they have it until you leave them for someone else.

Fun fun....my stomach is in knots.

Move on Harlowe. Take the new position. You have more credibility if you do, and why in the hell would you want to continue to work for someone that you have to play brinkmanship with?

I don't know how old you are, or if you've ever been in this type of situation before, but if you're career minded, you'd do well to leave wherever you're at now, on principle, and not look back, regardless of their counter-offer.

[Rsak]

So Rsak I can take kudos for pointing out the blatant and obvious, you are a fucking uncomprehending retarded fuck.

Then please explain why Relbeek stated the following:

Hey Eidolon, when I tell you shut the fuck up and leave me alone it has nothing to do with partisanship.

To conflate Relbeek's comment about politics with personal interations in direct contrast with his own words is impressive, just not in a good way.

Relbeek started this thread with the good intention of stating that he was a partisan and was looking for perspective yet when he was offered that perspective he ignored it or discredited it for partisan reasons. At least he was consistent in his actions both politically and personally so there should be no doubt about what kind of behavior you will get from Relbeek.

[Embar Angylwrath]

I don't hate you, Eidolon. I pity you. But I also see no need to tolerate your presence. You're a liar, you make promises only to break them, you harass me when all I want from you is to be left in peace... basically you treat me like you're in the third grade and you have a crush on me, and I find it annoying and juvenile.

The only reason it bothers me at all is because once every two weeks I have to be in your physical presence to enjoy the company of seven of our mutual friends, and pretend that your harassment (which takes place, usually, a few days before that day) doesn't exist. I'd much rather simply be able to forget you exist, but for the sake of my continued friendship with our mutual friends, I can't.

I have my speculations as to why you decide things like keeping your word and being honest run second to getting my attention, even my negative attention, by any means necessary, but I'll keep those to mysellf.

So no, I don't hate you, Eidolon. But even if I did, I couldn't ever muster the hate for you that you feel for yourself. And to end this rant on a somewhat whimsical politically humorous note: I always thought that kind of self-loathing was a liberal trait.

I'd like to point out the standard self-victimization language in here. Beek is portraying himself as powerless in this, making Eidolon the bad guy.

Beek, whatever your reasons for not wanting to tolerate Eidolon, to blame him for your discomfort when you want to spend time with mutual friends is absurd. You're 100% in charge of making the decision to go or not go. If he makes you that uncomfortable, then shut the fuck up and stay home, or find some alternative venue where you can enjoy mutual friends without his participation.

But to blame him for how you feel at an event that you aren't forced to attend is just blatant pseudo-victimization. I hear enough of it spewed from the mouths of leftist politicians. We don't need to hear it from you.

[Syeni Soulslasher MK6]

I am not sure what you mean here unless you are assuming that what we have paid into Social Security so far will be removed from the trust fund and suddenly be thrust into the market. If so then that is not what will occur. The private accounts will start from scratch with 4% of your Social Security tax being diverted into them. Not 4% of what you already paid in but 4% of your future Social Security taxes. So there is no possibilty of a lump sum influx into those investment accounts.

That was my understanding of how it would happen. If I am mistaken, wouldn't be the first time. Problem is I don't trust Bush and if exsisting isnt used as a lump sum then I see it as 1 of 2 things... 1 more debt for the contry or 2 contry dumps a load and I get to eat it.. Anyways if thats the case I don't understand why Bush isn't more clear about it, all I have heard from him has been extreemly vaig (thus leading me to not trust it). Bush for someone that talks so incredibly simple, has a hard time being clear with anything other then his Black and White crap, your with us or againts us.....

I just wish Bush would make more push to a flat tax or a national sales tax, like I thought he was talking about a few months ago... I would much rather see what he has to offer there (hope it don't reek of pro biz)... That might actuly become somthing.

[Syeni Soulslasher MK6]

Then please explain why Relbeek stated the following:

Hey Eidolon, when I tell you shut the fuck up and leave me alone it has nothing to do with partisanship.

I think I sumed it up in

you are a fucking uncomprehending retarded fuck.

[Syeni Soulslasher MK6]

OK I quit for the day trying to post and having the phone ring every 13-18 seconds is not working very well for me today...

[Aabe]

Eido,

I'll be responding as soon as the shit finishes hitting the fan here at work. I just turned in my resignation today. My current employer and soon to be new employer are in a bidding war.

Suddenly I am apparently worth a crapload more. It's like a bad relationship where your partner doesn't realize how good they have it until you leave them for someone else.

Fun fun....my stomach is in knots.

Move on Harlowe. Take the new position. You have more credibility if you do, and why in the hell would you want to continue to work for someone that you have to play brinkmanship with?

I don't know how old you are, or if you've ever been in this type of situation before, but if you're career minded, you'd do well to leave wherever you're at now, on principle, and not look back, regardless of their counter-offer.

In general I would agree with Embar on this one. Scary to change, but probably best for your future..

[Relbeek Einre]

I'm not powerless, Embar, nor am I trying to garner sympathy from the likes of you. I'm telling Eidolon like it is. And make no mistake - he is the bad guy. All I want from him is to be left alone, and after the end of seven plus years of friendship, he won't give me that. He'd rather have me loathe him than forget him.

Can you imagine, Embar, what kind of a person it would take to alienate and harass one of his closest friends, make promises to preserve the friendship, break every one of them, make them again, break them again, show no regret at his lack of integrity, and ignore all repeated pleas to be left alone, just to not be forgotten?

Christ, the last time he showed up, he tried to lambast me for "using" Jecks during April Fools', and after he slithered away when he was shown up as being full of it, I thought he'd finally humiliated himself enough to finally keep his promise to leave this forum. But no, like a lovesick puppy who'd been kicked too much, he comes back, barking and snarling, wanting his attention.

Ugh, I'm stopping now. Just saying this makes me sick to my stomach.

[Relbeek Einre]

Oh, and on an unrelated note, Embar's advice to Harlowe is actually good advice.

[Eidolon Faer]

I don't hate you, Eidolon. I pity you. But I also see no need to tolerate your presence. You're a liar, you make promises only to break them, you harass me when all I want from you is to be left in peace... basically you treat me like you're in the third grade and you have a crush on me, and I find it annoying and juvenile.

The only reason it bothers me at all is because once every two weeks I have to be in your physical presence to enjoy the company of seven of our mutual friends, and pretend that your harassment (which takes place, usually, a few days before that day) doesn't exist. I'd much rather simply be able to forget you exist, but for the sake of my continued friendship with our mutual friends, I can't.

I have my speculations as to why you decide things like keeping your word and being honest run second to getting my attention, even my negative attention, by any means necessary, but I'll keep those to mysellf.

So no, I don't hate you, Eidolon. But even if I did, I couldn't ever muster the hate for you that you feel for yourself. And to end this rant on a somewhat whimsical politically humorous note: I always thought that kind of self-loathing was a liberal trait.

Relbeek,

I've got to admit, it's entertaining to watch you try to contort logic in this way.

I don't hate myself, I don't hate you. And frankly, I don't pity you, either.

What I find frustrating, however, is how you are so totally self-absorbed that you constantly attempt to use our mutual friends -- and this board -- as a weapon against me when you cannot come up with a counterargument with merits.

If you're asking me to feel sorry about tainting the company of our mutual friends -- friends I introduced you to, no less -- that is your problem, not mine. Having you there doesn't bother me in the slightest. I therefore conclude that this is your problem, not mine.

Furthermore, if you are insecure and cowardly enough to request that I remove myself from my friends just because YOU are uncomfortable, that is also your problem. And as you have made similar requests in other matters, requests that would fill me with unendurable shame were I even TEMPTED to make them to you, I am suspecting that this is exactly what you were hinting at in your above post.

[Eidolon Faer]

And also, Relbeek, I haven't been posting much here because I'm busy IRL. Every so often I would skim through the board and I have even posted a topic or two. I didn't mention you even once when I linked news articles of the Marburg virus outbreak in Angola.

This isn't about you.

But if you start a highly flammable thread bemoaning the partisanship in our modern society and I happen to read it when it's hot, you've got no bitchfest coming when I reply. I'm treating you no differently than I would treat Harlowe or Partha or Klast if they had advanced the same claims and premises.

[Eidolon Faer]

Back to Harlowe:

Well, I don't know whether to sympathize with your high stress levels or congratulate you on the impending bling. Either way, no rush. I wish you the best, whatever you decide.

[Rsak]

Syeni,

Very cute baseless Ad Hominem attack.

The lack of comprehension is solely on your side today. The initial disclaimer had nothing to do with Relbeek's personal actions against Eidolon thus the validity of the statement is assured with just a basic level of comrpehension.

Focus on the phone today and come back when you have time to focus.

[Kulaf]

Never stay at a position after you threaten to quit......ever. Let them bid for you all they want but in the end take the new job no matter what. That way you retain the upperhand in the relationship.

[Relbeek Einre]

Eid:

Did you or did you not promise to vacate this board if I asked?

Did you or did you not promise to quit harassing me on this forum?

Have you or have you not broken both those promises?

As for using mutual friends against you, don't make me laugh.

You're the one who routinely attacks me unprovoked. I give you the courtesy of never addressing you in this forum unless you address me first - a promise I made and I keep, to say nothing of other promises - the converse of which you refuse me, despite your promise to the contrary.

You acknowledged the animosity was having a bad impact on our ability to deal with each other in the Big Blue Zone, and affecting our mutual friends. Yet you have reverted to form, and continue to antagonize me, despite all your promises.

You're the one who dared call me an anti-Semite, unprovoked, to my face, in the presence of one of our mutual friends at a lunch not three hours before his wedding.

I have done nothing vis-a-vis our mutual friends but acknowledge that your harassment is making it difficult for me to have an enjoyable time at the biweekly get-togethers that I started and, since you've shown you have no intention on keeping your promises, asked our mutual friends, when they offer to intervene, to not do so.

All you have to do, to end the problem, is to leave me alone. You promised to do so. You have, thus far, refused to keep your word, either for the sake of your own integrity or for the sake of keeping the peace.

Your protests of innocence are false, and hollow. And at any time you could show otherwise by keeping your word. But you choose not to. And your harassment continues. I only wonder what you think you possibly have to gain from it.

[Harlowe]

Thanks for the advice guys, I really appreciate it. I've only been in two other "offer-counter offer situations", but one was while I was looking for a job, the other due to a company moving.

I was honestly hoping they'd walk me out the door when I put in my resignation (I work with a lot of proprietary information). Now THAT I could handle. This schmoozing and sweet-talking, really makes me uncomfortable.

I would rather just shake hands and move on.

[Eidolon Faer]

Eid:

Did you or did you not promise to vacate this board if I asked?
No, you asked and I explicitly declined. I believe the quote was something to the effect of "if your disrespectful attitude is that profound, there's no basis for a friendship in the first place".

Did you or did you not promise to quit harassing me on this forum?
You have an interesting definition of harassment. One would be hard-pressed to find a thread on this entire board that you did not either initiate or reply to within five minutes of its' initiation. And you seem to regard any response other than "Why yes, you ARE 100% right and I bow down before your infinite wisdom" as a personal affront. When you bother to disagree with me (instead of simply insulting me) I do not take similar offense.

Have you or have you not broken both those promises?
No. See above. Reading comprehension is your friend.

The rest is of little interest to the people on this board.

[Eidolon Faer]

Harlowe:

If the handshaking and schmoozing is making you uncomfortable, trust your instincts. After all, if you're valuable enough to be worth all the hoopla, the instincts ought to be pretty good, right?

I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert in corporate politics or whatever, so all I can tell you other than that is to wish you the best. Even though we disagree on...well...nearly everything, I trust your judgement. You should too.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Harlowe:

If the handshaking and schmoozing is making you uncomfortable, trust your instincts. After all, if you're valuable enough to be worth all the hoopla, the instincts ought to be pretty good, right?

I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert in corporate politics or whatever, so all I can tell you other than that is to wish you the best. Even though we disagree on...well...nearly everything, I trust your judgement. You should too.

Where the hell do you make that logical jump? One has nothing to do with the other.

[Relbeek Einre]

To address your three remarks, Eidolon:

1) You are, Eidolon, either suffering from selective memory or you are lying. Considering your track record I'll simply assume the latter.

2) I define harassment in this case as "continuing to say inflammatory things to me after I've repeatedly asked you to leave me alone." Your hyperbolic, snide non-witticisms aside, you're blaming me for your choice to continue to flame me without provocation, saying, essentially, "You're posting, it's your fault if I respond." There's a case of personal responsibility dodging that'd make the most tofu-eating hugs-and-puppies pinko liberal blanch.

3) Indeed. And personal integrity is not yours.