Barak Obama... suicide

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:23 am

Political suicide, that is.

http://www.belleville.com/mld/bellevill ... 992619.htm

Nothing like insinuating that Lincoln was the Great Emancipator, to end your political aspirations to the White House.

If he really thinks that way, he should have kept his mouth shut. It's strictly a personal opinion, and one that is sure to alienate some (a whole bunch) of people. Major political gaffe.

I give him less than 24 hours before he starts the "I didn't say what I really said" dance.

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:35 am

Okay.

Just for clarity here; yeah saying that stuff on public record was probably not a good idea. But his opinion on Lincoln is perfectly legit, albeit debatable.

Xican · Post by **Xican** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:44 am

For the most part, as I understand it, he's right though...

Good point, political suicide.

But, Obama's race ended the day he was born. Sorry, Tom. We're just not ready yet.

Klast Brell · Post by **Klast Brell** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:13 pm

Most people's knowledge of US history is gross simplifications and elementary school textbook patriotism. Anyone can say Lincoln freed the slaves. Not as many can say how Lincoln felt about slavery at the beginning of his presidency and how that differed from his attitude at the end of his presidency. I'll leave it up to you to study up on that. Once you have covered the material you may realize what Obama was talking about.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:24 pm

Doesn't matter what is "true" and what isn't, Klast (as it pertains to this)

What could he possibly gain by smacking someone's sacred cow?

Croinc · Post by **Croinc** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:29 pm

I think that the public will be shocked that Obama has the ability to speak his own words and have true convictions.....something overwhemingly lacking in the current DNC (i.e. Hillary, Bill, and Kerry.)

Personally, I think he is a very intellegent man. His statements were definatly not PC but, I don't think he will suffer to much overall. Just needs to distance himself from the current DNC leadership me thinks

Harlowe · Post by **Harlowe** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:41 pm

I agree with Croinc. Shoot me or something. =)

Partha · Post by **Partha** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:45 pm

Doesn't matter what is "true" and what isn't, Klast

Not for you, evidently.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:15 pm

Harlowe wrote:I agree with Croinc. Shoot me or something. =)

I think Cro has a good point. But as we've seen before, candor is usually not in a politician's best interest, especially when challenging societal conceptions.

Akhbarali · Post by **Akhbarali** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:17 pm

Gotta agree with Croinc. I cannot see this doing any serious damage even amongst the "unwashed masses". I doubt Obama will ever be president but this is not because of his opinion of Lincoln's loyalty to emancipation.

Akhbar

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:26 pm

Look, my hero in American letters is Thomas Jefferson. But I have to accept that not only did he own slaves, he was fucking at least one of them.

I like to think that his universal truths about basic human freedoms transcend his deeds, no matter how despicable they were, nor how hypocritical they make some of what he said seem.

But I can't be blind to the simple facts.

Xican · Post by **Xican** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:36 pm

So Jefferson had Jungle Fever? Don't hate.

Croinc · Post by **Croinc** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:23 pm

Xican wrote:So Jefferson had Jungle Fever? Don't hate.

He claimed that all men should be free of tyrrany......and then went home to his slave- cooked meals. As did many of the forefathers.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:39 pm

I, too, disagree with Embar. This won't hurt Obama at all.

Lunarstorm · Post by **Lunarstorm** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:15 pm

This thread is laughable. If saying stupid things ruled out a candidate for presidency, only a mute would ever be called "Mr. President."

Loon

Eidolon Faer · Post by **Eidolon Faer** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:11 pm

For those with an historical interest, Lincoln gave a speech in New York City in 1860, before he was even officially a presidential candidate. This speech, referred to as the Cooper Union address, is widely credited with earning him the Republican nomination and thence his first Presidential term.

The speech, incidentally, was on the topic of slavery.

It may be found at:
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative ... cooper.htm

While I find it amusing that the Dems should be desperate to revise Lincoln's record on racial politics...which happens to be FAR better than some currently-serving Democrat legislators I could mention...this speech quite effectively gives the lie to any Lib theory that Lincoln was some kind of closet racist.

The Emancipation Proclamation, as well as Lincoln's other work, reflected the necessity to balance his own personal ideals against the welfare and stability of the nation he had sworn to serve. Political idealogy sometimes must be tempered with a healthy dose of reality...sometimes what is desired is less important than what is possible.

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:20 pm

Read this week's "Time" for a discussion of Lincoln's racial views.

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