TR + Secrecy ?

jookkor · Post by **jookkor** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:55 pm

wow "you will come and be fodder for another guild, you will not speak to them or look them directly in the eye, and never ever touch them or you will be flogged."
I dont understand how players can put up with this nonsense. Not only refusing to help a GUILDY who dies but REMOVING them from the raid so as not to offend your grand overlords who give you things their twinks dont want?? Thats beyond pathetic.

Fryar man, I know we have a bit of a laugh when you ct guilds get our washouts and asshats, I doubt anybody ever even says anything to anybody about it except "rflol" but you are really really scraping the bottom of the barrel with tori/crystalized here, as illustrated by his/her/its reguard for hisher/it's very own guildies.
Think carefully about whether or not you really want to create a caste system on your guild raids with these people. I forsee much drama that ultimately will hurt you a hell of alot more then simply waiting for some recruits to fill the spaces.

Arkaron · Post by **Arkaron** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:00 pm

Frankly, you're better off holding Relentless Open raids and filtering people that way.

You can raid on your own terms, without promising anybody anything or having an alliance. Flags alone will make people happy, 90% of the time.

Select · Post by **Select** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:59 am

Haha, I was happy just to get on an RZ raid. Seven+ fails and I wasn never unhappy to land a spot in a raid.

Valoria1234 · Post by **Valoria1234** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:26 am

Select=flag whore.. will suck cock for a flag.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:47 pm

Valoria1234 wrote:Select=flag whore.. will suck cock for a flag.

Yes, yes, Valboria, we all know Select is a flag whore and that you'll suck cock for a flag.

Valoria1234 · Post by **Valoria1234** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:59 pm

What? you can't let that slut stand up for itself? you have to come here and act like you are some kinda hero?

Fuck you bitch, when it needs your help she will suck your peni implant for it.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:01 pm

Sure I can let her stand up for herself. But what's that got to do with taking a shot at an asswipe like yourself?

And I see I hit a sore spot with you. Nice to know you're hyper-sensitive about the gay shit.

Ariannda Kusanagi · Post by **Ariannda Kusanagi** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:28 am

Valoria1234 wrote:Select=flag whore.. will suck cock for a flag.

I'm sorry that's MY tactic... and line

Valoria1234 · Post by **Valoria1234** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:30 am

Sure I can let her stand up for herself

What do you mean by "Let"?? You own her or something? Did you bend her over and force yourself into her ass?

When did you gain ownership of select? I knew she was a whore but I didn't know you owned her.

How much did it cost you? An oreo and a cup of piss?

Just wondering

Val..

Croinc · Post by **Croinc** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:25 pm

I wouldnt fuck Select with Ariandda's dick.

Ariannda Kusanagi · Post by **Ariannda Kusanagi** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:34 pm

Croinc wrote:I wouldnt fuck Select with Ariandda's dick.

awwwwww i love you too

Valoria1234 · Post by **Valoria1234** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:21 pm

That's the problem arrriiaanda, you love too many things.. men, women, dogs, cats, the gimp turtles.. the rabbit.. the kitchen cabinets..especially the hoover vacuum..

Ariannda Kusanagi · Post by **Ariannda Kusanagi** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:56 pm

turtles and bunnies ?!

YAY !

Croinc · Post by **Croinc** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:27 pm

I can confirm bunnies. Not sure about turtles. She likes to be on top and ....I just dont think that would work.......

calleagh · Post by **calleagh** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:50 am

tori, crystallized, sanolya. the trinity of fucktards. run while you can fryar.

Flunkie · Post by **Flunkie** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:57 pm

Ddrak wrote:Loot council is by far the best, fairest and most constructive method for distributing loot to further guild goals and improve members equipment.

HAHAHA BULLSHIT!!!

I was in a guild that did this. We had probably 7 or 8 high level Melee types and it was decided to do this loot council crap. What ended up happening was one guy got a bunch of high end No Drop gear to beef him up as "The guild tank". A few months later he quit the guild because he was working a new job and too busy to play more than a few hours per week. Oh he was very sorry that he took all that no drop gear, and even gave a bunch of money and other gear to the guild. But the fact is that the guild had just wasted a bunch of gear awards on a guy that bailed out.

The only way I can see a loot council working is if it was only for tradable gear. All No Drop gear had to be rolled on or DKP. But we all know the good stuff is No Drop, so whatever.

Kulaf · Post by **Kulaf** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:06 pm

How is that any different from DKP where your out of work Tank who attends every raid finally gets a job and takes everything he bought with him?

Clearly for gearing up a tank council is by far the fairest to the GUILD. All you have shown is that life......happens.

Flunkie · Post by **Flunkie** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:18 pm

Come on man, it is way different to EARN dkp and spend it and then leave the guild, than to be handed high end items for nothing and then leave the guild. I wish it was but one example, but the loot council stuck to their guns and it happened repeatedly for different reasons, thus I and my partner bailed out on the guild.

A major side effect of this kind of policy is that players that feel cheated out of high end gear bail out on the guild too, not just the ones with RL reasons. So the guild was left weakened by their loot council policy, because nobody is going to stay with a guild like that unless they are being are the ones being handed top gear. Last I heard, the guild I was in had "just broken into the Elemental Planes", what is that, like 3-4 year old content? Nice people but they never went anywhere and aren't going to any time soon.

Kulaf · Post by **Kulaf** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:28 pm

Well I assumed we were talking about similiar guilds using the same system. There really is no difference to the guild.....once the items are gone......they are gone. How they were given to the player that leaves is imaterial.

If you are in a "feeder" guild.......you are going to have more problems with DKP than council.......because the "hard core" players are going to buy the most loot......and will be the first people inclined to leave for greener pastures.

Bottom line......join a good guild of people you know and trust.

Post by **Ddrak** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:45 pm

Flunkie wrote:
Ddrak wrote:Loot council is by far the best, fairest and most constructive method for distributing loot to further guild goals and improve members equipment.
HAHAHA BULLSHIT!!!

I was in a guild that did this. We had probably 7 or 8 high level Melee types and it was decided to do this loot council crap. What ended up happening was one guy got a bunch of high end No Drop gear to beef him up as "The guild tank". A few months later he quit the guild because he was working a new job and too busy to play more than a few hours per week. Oh he was very sorry that he took all that no drop gear, and even gave a bunch of money and other gear to the guild. But the fact is that the guild had just wasted a bunch of gear awards on a guy that bailed out.

The only way I can see a loot council working is if it was only for tradable gear. All No Drop gear had to be rolled on or DKP. But we all know the good stuff is No Drop, so whatever.

There is no difference to the guild when your main tank bails whether they've won the loot from council or DKP. The difference is a council system can recognize that a player with high playtime may bail and distribute the gear differently so as not to put all the eggs in one basket, while a DKP system is hamstrung by the rules set in place.

Take the (all too common) example in a guild that is 4th or 5th on the server. You get a brand new tank who has almost infinite playtime because he's on summer vacation. His DKP skyrockets and he accumulates a bunch of gear only to be very "sorry" he has to leave because his fish died (but you see him in the 2nd top guild on the server one week later) and leave you with nothing. In a loot council situation you can limit the gear the new high playtime people get until they have proven that they are dedicated to the guild and not just using you as a stepping stone.

What you're really saying is that a loot council can be a lot more stupid than DKP, and that is true. That's not the point though. A loot council has the opportunity to be far smarter than DKP ever could be, and that's the real key - to get smart players leading the guild and distributing the loot in the way that benefits the guild the most.

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