Oil Spill

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http://energycommerce.house.gov/documen ... 4.2010.pdf

Recent letter (a week or so old) to the bipartisan committee (with two members from Louisiana) asking Salazar for MMS inspection records for the Horizon. (There probably aren't any). Looks like the committee is targeted Salazar for political execution, knowing that given the lax oversight of the MMS, what they receive (If anything) will be so horrendously wrong there's no way Salazar can dodge the political fallout.

Salazar should resign, or he'll damage the administration once this all comes out. Both he and Obama made a lot of noise about Salazar being the new "sheriff in town" and how Salazar would kick ass and take names. But apparently he didn't, which might be why Obama is looking for "whose ass to kick." He should start with Salazar, who left most Bush era MMS hanky-panky in place. After firing a few people in 2009 and referring a couple for prosecution, Salazar largely turned his back on reform of the MMS, even though that was supposedly one of his higher priorities.

Also, Obama went to a one-on-one interview with Politico, saying that Congress deserves a good portion of the blame (always the blame with this guy) for Horizon. Yet he's doing absolutely NOTHING tp prevent another catastrophe in the Gulf. Some people say this is Obama's Katrina. I disagree. A hurricane isn't preventable. Horizon was.

Salazar's statement in early 2009...
President Obama has immediately set high ethical standards for service in the federal government. He has shown a commitment to reform that will change business as usual in Washington. He has immediately made clear that the type of ethical transgressions, blatant conflicts of interest, wastes and abuses that we have seen over the last eight years will no longer be tolerated. Nowhere is President Obama’s commitment to reform and to cleaning up the waste, fraud and abuse of the past more important than at the Department of the Interior, which I now lead.

Over the last eight years, the Department of the Interior has been tarnished by ethical lapses and criminal behavior that has extended to the highest levels of government. The former Deputy Secretary of the Department under the Bush administration, Steven Griles, was sent to prison. It is the department that the American people associate with Jack Abramoff. And it is the department that was tarnished by a scandal involving sex, drugs and inappropriate gifts from oil and gas companies. The Lakewood, Colorado, office of the Minerals Management Service is tasked with making sure that taxpayers collect their fair share from oil and gas development on our public lands. Last year, that office collected $23 billion on behalf of the American taxpayer.

Yet during the last administration, some of the employees of that office violated the public trust by accepting gifts and employment contracts from the oil and gas companies they are supposed to be holding accountable. Some employees engaged in blatant and criminal conflicts of interest and self dealing. It is one of the worst examples of corruption, abuse, and of government putting special interests before the public interest. Tomorrow, I will be traveling to the Lakewood MMS office to meet with employees. I will also be announcing our own review of what happened, what has been done to address it and what additional steps need to be taken.

It will be clear that we will no longer tolerate those types of lapses at any level of government, from political appointees or career employees. This is only the first step of our long-term effort to enact comprehensive, top-to-bottom reform of the Department of Interior. The American people should be proud of their government. Those who work for the government should be proud of their service to the American people. We will work to reform the Department of the Interior, restore the public’s trust and to restore the high level of ethics and accountability that the American people deserve.
Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.

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Thanks for the WSJ article. If you haven't watched it, the 60 Minutes segments (Part 1, Part 2) were very informative too.

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Embar wrote:Also, Obama went to a one-on-one interview with Politico, saying that Congress deserves a good portion of the blame (always the blame with this guy) for Horizon.
/facepalm

After making a fool of yourself in your 'ass' thread you should have learned not rely on headlines in your desperate search for something to whine about Obama.

Here was the original Politico headline...
Obama to Politico: Congress shares the blame for BP
And here's what Obama actually said...
In an interview with POLITICO, the president said: “I think it’s fair to say, if six months ago, before this spill had happened, I had gone up to Congress and I had said we need to crack down a lot harder on oil companies and we need to spend more money on technology to respond in case of a catastrophic spill, there are folks up there, who will not be named, who would have said this is classic, big-government overregulation and wasteful spending.”
And here's the new Politico headline which replaced the completely inaccurate one you parroted...
Obama to POLITICO: Some in Congress hypocritical on spill
So, once again you relied on a headline and posted something that wasn't accurate. News flash for you: Headlines aren't even written by the person who writes the article. You can't learn a damn thing from a headline. And even when reading an article you have to be extremely careful where quotes and reporter interpretation come into play. Learn.
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There's more at play here than just BP. Even if they are completely liable, the US can't simply shut them down without starting all sorts of economic hell with the UK. In fact, the UK's already started to express concern back across the Atlantic given the size of BP inside their economy. Even something as simple as shutting down Atlantis may be enough to screw the UK on the heels of the GFC.

Obama is going to have to walk one hell of a tightrope here, and may end up finding the ass he has to kick had a great big bomb attached.

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You miss the point...

Obama had a chance get specific about where the real responsibility in government lay.. with the Secretary of the Interior (and hence his administration) for doing almost nothing the reform the agency they said they were going to reform. The agency that gave BP multiple passes.

AND.. you missed the OTHER point. If MMS had oversight on BP, and allowed BP to cut corners and file ludicrous documents and plans (when they filed them at all), doesn't it stand to reason that Obama via Salazar should IMMEDIATELY look at BP's other deepwater operation, the Atlantis? And publicly say so? Before this gets legs and they start playing reactionary catch-up to a crisis.

Edit: posted in response to Lurker... your post got ahead of mine Dd.
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How do you know Obama didn't cover those topics? The interview was 40 minutes. Obama has said in other statements and interviews that his Administration didn't move quickly enough to reform MMS and he has initiated a commission to figure out exactly what went wrong and what changes need to be made.

I agree that they should immediately look at other BP operations, and for all you know they are. I don't agree that it needs to be done publicly just to fend off media generated criticism.

Anyways, my point was that you read a headline and parroted it. The headline was completely inaccurate. Learn from that.
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Since Congress has sent a message directly to Salazar about Atalntis (no response) and a citizen's group has petitioned a judge to order BP to idle operations at Atlantis... if the admin is involved but staying silent when they need all the public relations help they can...

Occam's razor... the simple answer is they aren't involved yet, and are playing catch-up.

Edit: In all fairness to Salazar and the admin, they did mention Atlantis in mid- to late May.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6 ... liticsNews

However, this quote from Salazar
Responsibility starts first at the Department of Interior and the Minerals Management Service. We have to clean up that house
is very much like what he said when he was appointed over a year earlier. Can't say he was very effective in doing so. He needs to go.
Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.

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Correction Mr. President, I DID build this, and please give Lurker a hug, we wouldn't want to damage his self-esteem.

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