Gingrich

[Embar Angylwrath]

You heard it here first... if Gingrich gets the nomination, I just can't vote for him. He's a megalomanical, duplicitous, has no character in my opinion, and should not be near the football.

I can't believe this field of candidates was the best the Reps could come up with.

[Ddrak]

Most of the others I understand, but Gingrich blows me away. Seriously - what the hell is up with that?

Dd

[Embar Angylwrath]

Its grasping at straws, Dd. The Rep field is so weak that someone like Newt G can come in and claim top dog after having been destroyed just months earlier. Romney is weak, Perry is dead, Cain is headed for divorce court, and Paul has been marginalized (I'd vote for him though), Bachmann is just as crazy as Gingrich (if not more)...

The Reps can't decide if they want to be conservative moderates or far right societal remodelers. Maybe we need a bunch of lunatics voted into office just to show us what we don't want. Its a head scratcher to me.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

I'm starting to think I might just stay home. I read somewhere Obama might ditch Biden for Hillary as VP. I'd at least have to think a few seconds about that. I might even change my mind and vote for someone like Romney. Ron Paul for sure. Gingrich no fuckin' way. At this point I will only vote for Obama to cockblock someone totally scary like Palin. Hillary would be my first choice but there's no chance of that, right? I have this decision tree that pretty much only ends up with me staying home or disappointed.

It's not just me either. I know quite a few people that were openly optimistic in 2008 that are, uh, let's just say they're not quite as optimistic this time around. Time to pick someone new to sell us out, yay.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

Oh, and let's not forget to throw Trump in the middle of all of this, just to guarantee it's a complete circus.

[Kulaf]

I don't really have a problem with Newt. He at least proved he can work with people across the aisle when he teamed up with Hillary on a few issues.

[Ddrak]

How's this for attacking Gingrich?



http://newtfacts.com/

[Kulaf]

Shocking......he's a politician.

[Ddrak]

Gingrich is completely batshit insane on foreign policy too:

I believe that the Jewish people have the right to have a state, and I believe that the commitments that were made at a time. Remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places. And for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940's, and I think it’s tragic.

I see myself as in many ways being pretty close to Bibi Netanyahu in thinking about the dangers of the world. I believe in a tough-minded realism. I believe that if somebody is firing rockets at you, they are probably not engaged in the peace process. I believe if somebody goes around and says you don’t have a right to exist, they’re probably not prepared to negotiate for peace," he said. "I think if someone says they wanna wipe you out, you should believe them. So I see a much more tougher-minded, and much more honest approach to the Middle East in a Gingrich administration.

In the current climate in the Middle East, playing that game will guarantee an Iranian political victory across the whole region.


I should also mention that GOP voters have dropped sharply in their enthusiasm since September - most likely because of the crappy candidates.

Dd

[Kulaf]

Yup.....another state building problem created by the British at the end of WWI. We have so much to thank them for in the region.

[Ddrak]

Oh, no doubt, but you play the hand you're dealt and I don't think Gingrich's suggested policy is a particularly viable one if he wants to contain Iranian influence in the region.

On the first video, I don't really agree with most of those attacks. Was just pointing out that it's pretty strong. I still think primaries are the stupidest thing in the entire world of politics, especially going against an incumbent.

Dd

[Lurker]

It's amazing how someone I'd consider an intelligent moderate republican can get behind someone like Newt Gingrich, offering up something as flimsy as "he worked with Hillary on a few issues" as if that has any bearing on how he'd perform in office. Newts economic policy is as bat shit insane as his foreign policy, and that's saying a lot considering he's floating John Bolton as Sec of State.

[Garrdor]

Dead party.

/e gives a cute little parting wave

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Romney I could marginally vote for, Newt... I'm still undecided (leaning strongly towards no). I'd like to see Santorum get more traction, or some dark horse to enter the field and blow everyone out of the water.

[Kulaf]

It's amazing how someone I'd consider an intelligent moderate republican can get behind someone like Newt Gingrich, offering up something as flimsy as "he worked with Hillary on a few issues" as if that has any bearing on how he'd perform in office. Newts economic policy is as bat shit insane as his foreign policy, and that's saying a lot considering he's floating John Bolton as Sec of State.

Well thank you for the first two labels, but as I have said in the past I am not a Republican. Secondly I am not "behind" Newt, I simply said I didn't have a problem with him. And finally I am all about creating deadlock in WA so right now I am leaning toward voting for President Obama simply to continue the current bickering. It seems the only way we can get anything meaningful done is when the alternative is so insane that neither party can allow it to occur.

[Harlowe]

I think he's a sleazy flash in the pan. He gives them a feeling of nostalgia or some other kind of "good ol days" bullshit. I think Romney is their only truly viable candidate atm, and if they put Newt on the ticket instead, they're fucking nuttier than I thought. They won't take the White House with him.

[Ddrak]

I can see Gingrich getting the nomination in exactly the same way Kerry got the 2004 nomination for the Dems and with the same result.

Dd

[Lurker]

Secondly I am not "behind" Newt, I simply said I didn't have a problem with him.

So you wouldn't support Newt?

And finally I am all about creating deadlock in WA so right now I am leaning toward voting for President Obama simply to continue the current bickering. It seems the only way we can get anything meaningful done is when the alternative is so insane that neither party can allow it to occur.

Having a dysfunctional government prevents us from dealing with the real problems facing the country.

Can you elaborate on your second point? I'm not sure what you mean, and certainly haven't seen that dynamic in action. One party has been willing to compromise and the other party has been offering up extremely radical proposals that independent analysis shows would make things worse. We saw this play out in the debt ceiling debate where Republicans openly talked about letting the country default, leading to our credit rating being lowered. And we saw this play out in the deficit commission where Republicans offered a solution to the deficit that increased the deficit. There doesn't seem to be any alternative too insane for the Republican Party or their base. So I'm not following you.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

Let's not forget he worked across the aisle with Bill Clinton too ... to get him impeached for something he himself was doing at the time, right?

It's one thing when your candidate's nickname is "Slick Willy" and he has the reputation for hitting anything with a pulse. When he gets his dick sucked by an intern then nobody should be surprised. Would've been nice if he could've stayed focused on running the country instead of chasing skirts, but I never saw that as a failing in his ideology. He wasn't a phony. I thought he was a pretty good president overall.

But when your candidate runs on a platform of family values then silly me for thinking he should live up to those very same values. The worst kind of person to me is one that goes around preaching virtues that he himself fails miserably at. Just for that alone he shouldn't get the nomination. But that's just one of many reasons in my mind to pass on Gingrich. It's a sad day for the GOP when the depth of their talent pool is Gingrich. Seriously. Even if I still had an interest in Obama then I would still want a good fight. I'm a big UFC fan. It's no fun to watch someone get beat down without putting up a fight, even if you want your guy to win. What you really want is your guy to defeat worthy opponents.

If you look at history, it seems like that in times of great need, great leaders come forth. Our need is great. Where is our legendary leader? WTB Reagan or FDR. It sure the hell isn't Gingrich. Oh, and that "contract with America" was the same divisive BS that we're all sick of in 2011.

[Lurker]

FDR and Reagan didn't have to contend with a political party that had gone completely insane and a broken Senate where everything was subject to a filibuster.