Let the Obama Jobs Fantasy Begin

[Embar Angylwrath]

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer. ... dra/322111

2.7 million jobs created from his energy policy, eh? Considering that as of November 2011, the net jobs were negative, that's a a big whopper of a lie. Even if you cherry pick the numbers, and pick your own starting date, the MAX amount one can come up with is 2.7 million jobs. So even when the numbers are cherry-picked, all jobs saved or created by Obama were from energy policies?

Laughable

[Jarochai Alabaster]

The comments are lolworthy.

[Lurker]

The comments are lolworthy.

Wow. It's like a dozen Embar's and Fallakin's, each more deranged than the next, commenting there.

2.7 million jobs created from his energy policy, eh? Considering that as of November 2011, the net jobs were negative, that's a a big whopper of a lie.

Are you talking about 'net' jobs or jobs saved or created? Because you jump around from one to the other and seem to be comparing apples to oranges.

Even if you cherry pick the numbers, and pick your own starting date, the MAX amount one can come up with is 2.7 million jobs.

Looking at the numbers that came after Obama actually got jobs legislation through Congress isn't cherry picking. It would be a bit absurd to blame Obama for job losses that happened during the first few months of his Presidency before he had a chance to make policy changes or sign legislation.

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Embar says, "b-b-b-but... he promised 8% unemployment!!!"
Yeah, we've been over that. That projection was made when we thought the recession caused the economy to shrink by 4%, not the 9% it actually shrank.

Embar says, "b-b-b-but... his jobs policies are a failure!"
We've been over that too. We've all watched for years as Republicans blocked Obama's jobs legislation. We've discussed it repeatedly on the boards and everyone's watched as you absolutely refuse to acknowledge the reality that your political party was sabotaging the recovery to gain a political advantage.

[Ddrak]

2.7 million jobs created from his energy policy, eh? Considering that as of November 2011, the net jobs were negative, that's a a big whopper of a lie. Even if you cherry pick the numbers, and pick your own starting date, the MAX amount one can come up with is 2.7 million jobs. So even when the numbers are cherry-picked, all jobs saved or created by Obama were from energy policies?

Uh, what the hell?

Whether you believe the numbers or not, you're making no sense here. Obama's contention is that without his energy policy the job numbers would have been 2.7 million worse than they are now.

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[Embar Angylwrath]

2.7 million jobs created from his energy policy, eh? Considering that as of November 2011, the net jobs were negative, that's a a big whopper of a lie. Even if you cherry pick the numbers, and pick your own starting date, the MAX amount one can come up with is 2.7 million jobs. So even when the numbers are cherry-picked, all jobs saved or created by Obama were from energy policies?

Uh, what the hell?

Whether you believe the numbers or not, you're making no sense here. Obama's contention is that without his energy policy the job numbers would have been 2.7 million worse than they are now.

Dd

The numbers were from Politifact. I wondered if my post would get a knee jerk reaction from Lurker (it did).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... reated-mi/

They, too, note the cherry-picking on jobs numbers. Obama's statement can't be reconciled with the numbers, plain and simple.

[Lurker]

The numbers were from Politifact. I wondered if my post would get a knee jerk reaction from Lurker (it did).

You're a real puppet master.

We don't have an issue with the numbers. The problem is you conflated net job growth with jobs created in a given sector with total jobs created and/or saved. You bounced from one to the other without seeming to realize it, probably because you were just parroting something you read without giving it any thought.

And again, If we're evaluating Obama's performance on jobs it's not cherry picking to look at jobs numbers that came after he actually got legislation thought Congress. It's also not irrelevant to look at which Party blocked legislation that Obama proposed that would have led to even more job creation.

We're not low information voters here, Embar. The type of propaganda you parrot won't work.

P.S. Politifact isn't infallible. Unless you think the CBO is also lying.

[Ddrak]

Ok, going back to the actual commercial now we've moved on from the crazy-ass argument about not being able to add jobs in a sector when the total job market was declining:

Embar didn't listen to the commercial properly (and yes, it's deliberately misleading but that's another issue). Here's the line he's complaining about:

"And America’s clean energy industry: 2.7 million jobs and expanding rapidly."

Note that it doesn't say anything about 2.7 million FROM OBAMA'S POLICIES, but just the whole clean energy industry. This number is directly from Brookings so it's kinda hard to argue with.

The ad is misleading, not incorrect.

(And Embar's politifact link is broken but factcheck has a pretty good discussion on the ad itself).

Edit: Never mind - fixed Embar's link.

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