Romney + Ryan = Fail

[Jarochai Alabaster]

Really? One sixteenth of the entire American workforce receives a federal disability income. Every day I see the types of injuries that put these people on COP and then disability and it is pathetic. The agency I work for pays out over 130,000.00 every day, more than half of it for people on the long term rolls. Did you really think Presidential initiatives like SHARE and POWER were feel good programs? Fuck no, they are about getting shiftless lazy fuckers back into the workforce?

Show me the stats, please. Highlight the part where "shiftless assholes" is defined, while you're at it.

[Torakus]

Really? One sixteenth of the entire American workforce receives a federal disability income. Every day I see the types of injuries that put these people on COP and then disability and it is pathetic. The agency I work for pays out over 130,000.00 every day, more than half of it for people on the long term rolls. Did you really think Presidential initiatives like SHARE and POWER were feel good programs? Fuck no, they are about getting shiftless lazy fuckers back into the workforce?

Show me the stats, please. Highlight the part where "shiftless assholes" is defined, while you're at it.

Department of Labor is the source. 10.5 million folks collecting disability. Shiftless assholes are defined in the section where it shows that 43% of claims are for mental illness.

[Kulaf]

I think 130k people getting paid disability because they list drug or achohol addiction as a disability qualify. Next will be the wave of fat people who claim that as a disability.......wait until that one hits.

[Partha]

Really? One sixteenth of the entire American workforce receives a federal disability income. Every day I see the types of injuries that put these people on COP and then disability and it is pathetic. The agency I work for pays out over 130,000.00 every day, more than half of it for people on the long term rolls. Did you really think Presidential initiatives like SHARE and POWER were feel good programs? Fuck no, they are about getting shiftless lazy fuckers back into the workforce?

Show me the stats, please. Highlight the part where "shiftless assholes" is defined, while you're at it.

Department of Labor is the source. 10.5 million folks collecting disability. Shiftless assholes are defined in the section where it shows that 43% of claims are for mental illness.

Did you really just claim that being mentally ill to the point of being unable to work makes you a shiftless asshole?

Did you REALLY want to claim that?

[Torakus]

Really? One sixteenth of the entire American workforce receives a federal disability income. Every day I see the types of injuries that put these people on COP and then disability and it is pathetic. The agency I work for pays out over 130,000.00 every day, more than half of it for people on the long term rolls. Did you really think Presidential initiatives like SHARE and POWER were feel good programs? Fuck no, they are about getting shiftless lazy fuckers back into the workforce?

Show me the stats, please. Highlight the part where "shiftless assholes" is defined, while you're at it.

Department of Labor is the source. 10.5 million folks collecting disability. Shiftless assholes are defined in the section where it shows that 43% of claims are for mental illness.

Did you really just claim that being mentally ill to the point of being unable to work makes you a shiftless asshole?

Did you REALLY want to claim that?

Yes actually. Why do you think that nearly half of claims are for mental illness? It sure as fuck isn't because that reflects some greater health trend in the U.S. (disability claims 43%, NIMH's estimate for the general public 18+ is 26% and only 6% of those being serious, you know the type that would keep you out of work). It is because it is the hardest to disprove. And since it is easy as fuck to get a doctor sign off on you being bat shit crazy (that's how they get paid, fuck that oath they took), it becomes the single largest portion of fraudulent claims. Unfortunately it is almost impossible to prove, so we are stuck paying for these lazy, shiftless cocksuckers for the rest of their lives.

And I fully agree with Kulaf. It isn't too far off that we see the overweight start dipping into this vat of free cash.

[Ddrak]

Department of Labor is the source. 10.5 million folks collecting disability. Shiftless assholes are defined in the section where it shows that 43% of claims are for mental illness.

Just checking here, but that's saying that 4.3 million are claiming disability for mental illness of a labor force of 160 million, which is 2.6%. If your NIMH stats are correct and 6% of people suffer serious enough mental illness to have it considered a disability then under half of those are actually claiming disability.

Just curious, but what percentage of those with a serious mental illness would you expect to claim disability?

The way I read it, your numbers seem to indicate that over half the people with a serious mental illness are actually sucking it up and continuing to work, or they aren't working and are just not claiming anything. They certainly aren't saying that more people are claiming disability than have a serious mental illness.

Dd

[Torakus]

Department of Labor is the source. 10.5 million folks collecting disability. Shiftless assholes are defined in the section where it shows that 43% of claims are for mental illness.

Just checking here, but that's saying that 4.3 million are claiming disability for mental illness of a labor force of 160 million, which is 2.6%. If your NIMH stats are correct and 6% of people suffer serious enough mental illness to have it considered a disability then under half of those are actually claiming disability.

Just curious, but what percentage of those with a serious mental illness would you expect to claim disability?

The way I read it, your numbers seem to indicate that over half the people with a serious mental illness are actually sucking it up and continuing to work, or they aren't working and are just not claiming anything. They certainly aren't saying that more people are claiming disability than have a serious mental illness.

Dd

Only if that 6% are actually part of the labor force. Unfortunately I didn't plan this particular troll well enough to have gathered that tidbit. Good looking out though.

[Ddrak]

You just got unlucky enough that I have a family member with mental illness who's getting back into the workforce now.

Dd

[Jarochai Alabaster]

I've known more people than I can count with a mental health issue serious enough to interfere with retaining work, myself and my mother included. I've never known a single person who's claimed disability for it.

Part of the problem is that financial instability ripples into instability into every facet of life for the individual, thus exacerbating the mental illness. If we drop people from disability rolls for qualifying as "shiftless assholes" by some random e-tard's definition, then those people are that much less likely to find financial stability under their own power in the future and become an even greater strain on society as homeless, or as desperate criminals.

[Kulaf]

The reason your numbers are not adding up is because Veterans get taken care of under a seperate program, and there is the SSI program. So about 3million Vets get taken care of under the Department of Veteran's Affairs and 4.1 million get taken care of under the Supplemental Security Income program. One would assume the percentages of these 7 million people receiving benefits under the other programs would fill in the gap.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Jaro - aren't you the dude that takes adderal recreationally? Od did I confuse you with someone else. If you are that person, then perhaps you are complicit in your own mental imbalance by using those types of drugs? Recreationally? Illegally?

[Jarochai Alabaster]

Nope. Don't touch prescriptions unless I'm actually prescribed them (Very rare that this happens). I smoke pot the way many Americans drink, and don't drink myself except on rare occasions like weddings.

I would basically consider myself devoid of diagnosable mental illness at this time. The extraordinary stability of the family I've married into has effectively given me the anchor and support I needed.

[Arathena]

Sadly, I think this is the most plausible theory yet about Romney's tax returns. If he really has committed felony voter fraud...

[Ddrak]

I find it unlikely that someone with Presidential aspirations would be insane enough to commit voter fraud. I'm also at a loss as to why some candidates resist disclosing whatever they hell people want to know - in most cases the speculation and secrecy do more damage than the disclosure, and where the opposite is true you probably shouldn't be running for high office.

Dd

[Arathena]

I find it unlikely that someone with Presidential aspirations would be insane enough to commit voter fraud. I'm also at a loss as to why some candidates resist disclosing whatever they hell people want to know - in most cases the speculation and secrecy do more damage than the disclosure, and where the opposite is true you probably shouldn't be running for high office.

Dd

Normally? I would agree with you. But there's really only so many reasons he could think revealing it is more damaging than not, and I find it harder to believe that he didn't pay taxes. Further, he does have a history of filing his taxes from other states for tax benefits... probably without thinking about voting law.

[Arathena]

Well, idle Beck-style speculation aside (Hey, Mitt: Release your tax returns, and the speculation will go away...), we have this, too.

Campaign vendors say Republican Congressman David Rivera funded Democrat’s failed primary bid

Can't face him in the general? Pay to have a valid opponent primaried out.
Again, I'd be inclined to boggle and disbelieve.. except that Rivera has a long and storied trail of corruption, and is currently under investigation by the FBI, IRS, and Miami-Dade Police's public corruption unit.

The Republican Party does not believe in democracy.

[Partha]

I find it unlikely that someone with Presidential aspirations would be insane enough to commit voter fraud. I'm also at a loss as to why some candidates resist disclosing whatever they hell people want to know - in most cases the speculation and secrecy do more damage than the disclosure, and where the opposite is true you probably shouldn't be running for high office.

Dd

I have no doubt that Romney might not remember from month to month which of his many houses he claims to live in. After all, the big mansion he's redoing is in California, he owns property in two places in Massachusetts and Utah as well. Keeping track of the bills has got to be a cast-iron bitch.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Funny Ara...

What do you say about Dems spending 1.5 million in support of Akin in his three-way primary, just so he'd be the candidate McCaskill would face? Ironic that Dems spent 1.5 million to support a candidate that is so counter to their party, don't you think? Pretty much what you're bitching about with Rivera. Does the same brush and paint now apply to the Democrats?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08 ... n-primary/

[Kulaf]

Sadly, I think this is the most plausible theory yet about Romney's tax returns. If he really has committed felony voter fraud...

Well, there is one big problem with that theory:

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/cis/ciswel/weltomas.htm

Residency

There is no formal procedure for establishing a legal residence in Massachusetts.

So if he was living in MA, no matter what he listed as his residence on his tax returns......he can register to vote in MA. The only way he could have comitted voter fraud would be if he also voted in another state.

[Ddrak]

I think you could make the case that if he filed residency in California on his tax returns then he can't also claim residency in Massachusetts.

Dd