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Okay, I saw it. I agree that it wasn't up to LOTR, but I don't think the book ever was either. They did paint the "added" material with overly broad strokes at times, but I can see why they made changes--especially to Thorin and the white orc and giving him something more of an arc as well as giving the orcs in general a "named" baddie.

I thought Bilbo sold the film as did Thorin. I also liked all the dwarves too.

I'm trying to remember when they rode in the barrels to Laketown. Was that after the spiders? Which I think will come in movie #2. Bjorn should also be in movie #2 along with Smaug. Then the third will probably include the five armies quibbling over the gold in the lonely mountain.
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Alluveal wrote:Bjorn should also be in movie #2
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Taxious wrote:
Alluveal wrote:Bjorn should also be in movie #2
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Tax, that is awesome!

Smaug is going to be so badass. I can't wait to hear he and Bilbo's conversation:

(SPOILERS BELOW IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BOOK!)
Hidden Information!
The sun was shining when he started, but it was as dark as night in the tunnel. The light from the door, almost closed, soon faded as he went down. So silent was his going that smoke on a gentle wind could hardly have surpassed it, and he was inclined to feel a bit proud of himself as he drew near the lower door. There was only the very faintest glow to be seen.

"Old Smaug is weary and asleep," he thought. "He can't see me and he won't hear me. Cheer up Bilbo!" He had forgotten or had never heard about dragons' sense of smell. It is also an awkward fact that they can keep half an eye open watching while they sleep, if they are suspicious.

Smaug certainly looked fast asleep, almost dead and dark, with scarcely a snore more than a whiff of unseen steam, when Bilbo peeped once more from the entrance. He was just about to step out on to the floor when he caught a sudden thin and piercing ray of red from under the dropping lid of Smaug's left eye. He was only pretending to sleep! He was watching the tunnel entrance! Hurriedly Bilbo stepped back and blessed the luck of his ring. Then Smaug spoke.

"Well, thief! I smell you and I feel your air. I hear your breath. Come along! Help yourself again, there is plenty and to spare!"

But Bilbo was not quite so unlearned in dragon - lore as all that, and if Smaug hoped to get him to come nearer so easily he was disappointed. "No thank you, 0 Smaug the Tremendous!" he replied. "I did not come for presents. I only wished to have a look at you and see if you were truly as great as tales say. I did not believe them."

"Do you now?" said the dragon somewhat flattered, even though he did not believe a word of it.

"Truly songs and tales fall utterly short of the reality, 0 Smaug the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities," replied Bilbo.

"You have nice manners for a thief and a liar," said the dragon. "You seem familiar with my name, but I don't seem to remember smelling you before. Who are you and where do you come from, may I ask?"

"You may indeed! I come from under the hill, and under the hills and over the hills my paths led. And through the air. I am he that walks unseen."

So I can well believe," said Smaug, "but that is hardly your usual name.

"I am the clue - finder, the web - cutter, the stinging fly. 1 was chosen for the lucky number."

"Lovely titles!" sneered the dragon. "But lucky numbers don't always come off"

"I am he that buries his friends alive and drowns them and draws them alive again from the water. I came from the end of a bag, but no bag went over me."

"These don't sound so creditable," scoffed Smaug.

"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel - rider," went on Bilbo beginning to be pleased with his riddling.

"That's better!" said Smaug. "But don't let your imagination run away with you!"

This of course is the way to talk to dragons, if you don't want to reveal your proper name (which is wise), and don't want to infuriate them by a flat refusal (which is also very wise). No dragon can resist the fascination of riddling talk and of wasting time trying to understand it. There was a lot here which Smaug did not understand at all, but he thought he understood enough, and he chuckled in his wicked inside.

"I thought so last night," he smiled to himself, "Lake - men, some nasty scheme of those miserable tub - trading Lake - men, or I'm a lizard. I haven't been down that way for an age and an age; but I will soon alter that!"

"Very well, 0 Barrel - rider!" he said aloud. "Maybe Barrel was your pony's name; and maybe not, though it was fat enough. You may walk unseen, but you did not walk all the way. Let me tell you I ate six ponies last night and I shall catch and eat all the others before long. In return for the excellent meal I will give you one piece of advice for your good: don't have more to do with dwarves than you can help!"

"Dwarves!" said Bilbo in pretended surprise.

"Don't talk to me!" said Smaug. "I know the smell (and taste) of dwarf - no one better. Don't tell me that I can eat a dwarf - ridden pony and not know it! You'll come to a bad end, if you go with such friends, Thief Barrel - rider. I don't mind if you go back and tell them so from me." But he did not tell Bilbo that there was one smell he could not make out at all, hobbit - smell; it was quite outside his experience and puzzled him mightily.

"I suppose you got a fair price for the cup last night?" he went on. "Come now, did you? Nothing at all! Well, that's just like them. And I suppose they are skulking outside, and your Job is to do all the dangerous work and get what you can when I'm not looking - for them! And you will get a fair share? Don't you believe it!If you get off alive, you will be lucky."

Bilbo was now beginning to feel really uncomfortable. Whenever Smaug's roving eye, seeking for him in the shadows, flashed across him, he trembled, and an unaccountable desire seized hold of him to rush out and reveal himself and tell all the truth to Smaug. In fact he was in grievous danger of coming under the dragon - spell. But plucking up courage he spoke again.

"You don't know everything, 0 Smaug the Mighty," said he. "Not gold alone brought us hither."

"Ha! Ha! You admit the 'us"' laughed Smaug. "Why not say 'us fourteen' and be done with it, Mr. Lucky Number? I am pleased to hear that you had other business in these parts besides my gold.; In that case you may, perhaps, not altogether waste your time.

"I don't know if it has occurred to you that, even if you could steal the gold bit by bit - a matter of a hundred years or so - you could not get it very far? Not much use on the mountain side? Not much use in the forest? Bless me! Had you never thought of the catch? A fourteenth share, I suppose, or something like it, those were the terms, eh? But what about delivery? What about cartage? What about armed guards and tolls?" And Smaug laughed aloud. He had a wicked and a wily heart, and he knew his guesses were not far out, though he suspected that the Lake - men were at the back of the plans, and that most of the plunder was meant to stop there in the town by the shore that in his young days had been called Esgaroth.

You will hardly believe it, but poor Bilbo was really very taken aback. So far all his thoughts and energies had been concentrated on getting to the Mountain and finding the entrance. He had never bothered to wonder how the treasure was to be removed, certainly never how any part of it that might fall to his share was to be brought back all the way to Bag - End - Under - Hill.

Now a nasty suspicion began to grow in his mind - had the dwarves forgotten this important point too, or were they laughing in their sleeves at him all the time? That is the effect that dragon - talk has on the inexperienced. Bilbo of course ought to have been on his guard; but Smaug had rather an overwhelming personality.

"I tell you' " he said, in an effort to remain loyal to his friends and to keep his end up, "that gold was only an afterthought with us. We came over hill and under hill, by wave and wind, for Revenge. Surely, 0 Smaug the inaccessibly wealthy, you must realize that your success has made you some bitter enemies?"

Then Smaug really did laugh - a devastating sound which shook Bilbo to the floor, while far up in the tunnel the dwarves huddled together and imagined that the hobbit had come to a sudden and a nasty end.
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Re: The Hobbit

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Alluveal wrote:
(SPOILERS BELOW IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE BOOK!)
Hidden Information!
The sun was shining when he started, but it was as dark as night in the tunnel. The light from the door, almost closed, soon faded as he went down. So silent was his going that smoke on a gentle wind could hardly have surpassed it, and he was inclined to feel a bit proud of himself as he drew near the lower door. There was only the very faintest glow to be seen.

"Old Smaug is weary and asleep," he thought. "He can't see me and he won't hear me. Cheer up Bilbo!" He had forgotten or had never heard about dragons' sense of smell. It is also an awkward fact that they can keep half an eye open watching while they sleep, if they are suspicious.

Smaug certainly looked fast asleep, almost dead and dark, with scarcely a snore more than a whiff of unseen steam, when Bilbo peeped once more from the entrance. He was just about to step out on to the floor when he caught a sudden thin and piercing ray of red from under the dropping lid of Smaug's left eye. He was only pretending to sleep! He was watching the tunnel entrance! Hurriedly Bilbo stepped back and blessed the luck of his ring. Then Smaug spoke.

"Well, thief! I smell you and I feel your air. I hear your breath. Come along! Help yourself again, there is plenty and to spare!"

But Bilbo was not quite so unlearned in dragon - lore as all that, and if Smaug hoped to get him to come nearer so easily he was disappointed. "No thank you, 0 Smaug the Tremendous!" he replied. "I did not come for presents. I only wished to have a look at you and see if you were truly as great as tales say. I did not believe them."

"Do you now?" said the dragon somewhat flattered, even though he did not believe a word of it.

"Truly songs and tales fall utterly short of the reality, 0 Smaug the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities," replied Bilbo.

"You have nice manners for a thief and a liar," said the dragon. "You seem familiar with my name, but I don't seem to remember smelling you before. Who are you and where do you come from, may I ask?"

"You may indeed! I come from under the hill, and under the hills and over the hills my paths led. And through the air. I am he that walks unseen."

So I can well believe," said Smaug, "but that is hardly your usual name.

"I am the clue - finder, the web - cutter, the stinging fly. 1 was chosen for the lucky number."

"Lovely titles!" sneered the dragon. "But lucky numbers don't always come off"

"I am he that buries his friends alive and drowns them and draws them alive again from the water. I came from the end of a bag, but no bag went over me."

"These don't sound so creditable," scoffed Smaug.

"I am the friend of bears and the guest of eagles. I am Ringwinner and Luckwearer; and I am Barrel - rider," went on Bilbo beginning to be pleased with his riddling.

"That's better!" said Smaug. "But don't let your imagination run away with you!"

This of course is the way to talk to dragons, if you don't want to reveal your proper name (which is wise), and don't want to infuriate them by a flat refusal (which is also very wise). No dragon can resist the fascination of riddling talk and of wasting time trying to understand it. There was a lot here which Smaug did not understand at all, but he thought he understood enough, and he chuckled in his wicked inside.

"I thought so last night," he smiled to himself, "Lake - men, some nasty scheme of those miserable tub - trading Lake - men, or I'm a lizard. I haven't been down that way for an age and an age; but I will soon alter that!"

"Very well, 0 Barrel - rider!" he said aloud. "Maybe Barrel was your pony's name; and maybe not, though it was fat enough. You may walk unseen, but you did not walk all the way. Let me tell you I ate six ponies last night and I shall catch and eat all the others before long. In return for the excellent meal I will give you one piece of advice for your good: don't have more to do with dwarves than you can help!"

"Dwarves!" said Bilbo in pretended surprise.

"Don't talk to me!" said Smaug. "I know the smell (and taste) of dwarf - no one better. Don't tell me that I can eat a dwarf - ridden pony and not know it! You'll come to a bad end, if you go with such friends, Thief Barrel - rider. I don't mind if you go back and tell them so from me." But he did not tell Bilbo that there was one smell he could not make out at all, hobbit - smell; it was quite outside his experience and puzzled him mightily.

"I suppose you got a fair price for the cup last night?" he went on. "Come now, did you? Nothing at all! Well, that's just like them. And I suppose they are skulking outside, and your Job is to do all the dangerous work and get what you can when I'm not looking - for them! And you will get a fair share? Don't you believe it!If you get off alive, you will be lucky."

Bilbo was now beginning to feel really uncomfortable. Whenever Smaug's roving eye, seeking for him in the shadows, flashed across him, he trembled, and an unaccountable desire seized hold of him to rush out and reveal himself and tell all the truth to Smaug. In fact he was in grievous danger of coming under the dragon - spell. But plucking up courage he spoke again.

"You don't know everything, 0 Smaug the Mighty," said he. "Not gold alone brought us hither."

"Ha! Ha! You admit the 'us"' laughed Smaug. "Why not say 'us fourteen' and be done with it, Mr. Lucky Number? I am pleased to hear that you had other business in these parts besides my gold.; In that case you may, perhaps, not altogether waste your time.

"I don't know if it has occurred to you that, even if you could steal the gold bit by bit - a matter of a hundred years or so - you could not get it very far? Not much use on the mountain side? Not much use in the forest? Bless me! Had you never thought of the catch? A fourteenth share, I suppose, or something like it, those were the terms, eh? But what about delivery? What about cartage? What about armed guards and tolls?" And Smaug laughed aloud. He had a wicked and a wily heart, and he knew his guesses were not far out, though he suspected that the Lake - men were at the back of the plans, and that most of the plunder was meant to stop there in the town by the shore that in his young days had been called Esgaroth.

You will hardly believe it, but poor Bilbo was really very taken aback. So far all his thoughts and energies had been concentrated on getting to the Mountain and finding the entrance. He had never bothered to wonder how the treasure was to be removed, certainly never how any part of it that might fall to his share was to be brought back all the way to Bag - End - Under - Hill.

Now a nasty suspicion began to grow in his mind - had the dwarves forgotten this important point too, or were they laughing in their sleeves at him all the time? That is the effect that dragon - talk has on the inexperienced. Bilbo of course ought to have been on his guard; but Smaug had rather an overwhelming personality.

"I tell you' " he said, in an effort to remain loyal to his friends and to keep his end up, "that gold was only an afterthought with us. We came over hill and under hill, by wave and wind, for Revenge. Surely, 0 Smaug the inaccessibly wealthy, you must realize that your success has made you some bitter enemies?"

Then Smaug really did laugh - a devastating sound which shook Bilbo to the floor, while far up in the tunnel the dwarves huddled together and imagined that the hobbit had come to a sudden and a nasty end.

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Hobbit timeline for anyone interested:

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Loved it.

(But as you all know I nitpic everything. I wish Peter Jackson didnt play up that the dwarves had magical Elven dexterity. And one/two...too many moments played for laughs.)
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finally watched it last night. loved it but i did think that del toro should have been given a little more than the screenplay. but, i can't wait for the next one!
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