We need EoD back on the server

Saevrok · Post by **Saevrok** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:29 pm

Cleptow, buddy, I was one of the strongest advocates for BI, PRC, and EoD, I went to bat for them again and again (Usualy meeting with extreme humiliation). They are all dead. Buried and better forgotten.

Your logic is flawed in saying that EoD was competition for Enshadowed, we couldnt kill cursed, didnt even hardly dent his ass. By the time we killed emp Ensh was killing in the elementals, VT is a massive timesink, so unless we skipped that and went straight into pop like alarius we would have stayed a long ways behind them. The way we advanced so far so quickly was due to one thing, massive zerging. No tactics, thats why we died to cursed when we could kill emp without any trouble, no real research was done on him and a good spot was never found to position him.

Your logic is also flawed in saying that enshadowed is a remake of eod. Enshadowed was solidly devastating velious when I was level 20 in bronze with a lambent bp and a yak. Eod came onto the scene shortly after loh broke apart, the time difference is too large. A percentage of power was gained when Enshadowed absorbed a small number of eod members when eod dissolved, however, this percentage does not equal the whole. In Enshadowed there are well over 100 players, usualy 50-60 active at many raids. Of the guilded former eod I count...

Mictain, Aurita, Nikore, Saevrok. I believe there is one or two more, but that is at best 6 out of 60, so 10% (assuming all 6 former eod members are on at once) of Enshadowed's player base is eod. Now, take into account this, I have jumped over 2000 hp and well over 4000 mana since joining enshadowed, in addition thanks to elemental flags and better gear I have gained over 200 aa. None of this newfound strength can be allotted to eod. So therefore the fact that I was in eod only accounts for a fraction of 10% of enshadowed's power. You can assume the same for Nikore Aurita and Mictain.

In truth I, like mictain had been planning to leave eod for a while, there were too many power struggles, and I was frankly tired of defending lost causes.

Had eod continued, it would have been where sojo is now. Barely starting the elementals while enshadowed was doing time.

Anyways back to my usual babbling and non-coherent drivel.

Amalia Kuso · Post by **Amalia Kuso** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:51 am

I just think that the higher guilds here all try to push up and coming guilds out of the loop when they start to achieve certain goals. It has happened all from this board too. From LOH, to EOD, to Expletus, even to Septimius Marcellus. If they even get close to the elemental planes, I see more stress going down on them and they eventually fade away.

Each guild had the nicest people in it, but one messed up guildie seems to be like having an open wound in an ocean full of sharks.

To say that you were not proud to be a part of that guild's rising goals is like denying your own god. Hell, I am even proud to have been a recruit for SR for the short time I was even after my differences with them. Proud to have been with Enshadowed for that short week and very proud to have been an Expletus member.

All of these guilds have shown me more things I never thought I would see with Amalia. First time ever fighting a dragon was in Expletus. First God I have ever been a part of killing was with SR (and I was there for every god except Rathe Council contrary to popular belief). One of my first times in SSRA was with Enshadowed.

The point being, without EoD or LoH, alot of the people flaming them right now (being both former members of these guilds or officers of the guild former members flocked to), would not be where they are at right now. Without such guilds, alot of people wouldn't have their VT key, sleeper's key, epics, spells, gear, raid experience, certain flags higher guilds don't bother with anymore, or what have you. These guilds have had great accomplishments and in every bucket of apples, theres bound to be a rotten one and its people from here that feed on the rotten one and throw the others out.

Props to Cleptow for actually sticking up for his former guild.

Elder Amalia Kuson'Blixa

Raylen · Post by **Raylen** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:33 am

Hell, I am even proud to have been a recruit for SR for the short time I was even after my differences with them.

Kissing ass still won't change their minds, Amalia.

Apocnec · Post by **Apocnec** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:44 am

Raylen wrote:It's actually Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, Apoc.

Man, fuck you for stealing my thunder

.

And I think you underate the power of asskissing.

Post by **Ddrak** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:04 am

I just think that the higher guilds here all try to push up and coming guilds out of the loop when they start to achieve certain goals. It has happened all from this board too. From LOH, to EOD, to Expletus, even to Septimius Marcellus. If they even get close to the elemental planes, I see more stress going down on them and they eventually fade away.

What a complete pile of paranoid conspiracy theorist bullshit.

Ask Alarius or Sojo exactly how much "opposition" they felt getting to Elementals? Ask SoH or Sojo what sort of concerted effort from the upper end there was to block them in VT?

To suggest that this board has *any* bearing in the current high end game and engineering some overall plot to keep the plebs in their place is so retarded that your short bus has collapsed into a singularity and devoured everything in drooling distance. While the guilds do care what is and isn't posted here, there's sure as hell no effort to coordinate postings to oppress anyone.

The point being, without EoD or LoH, alot of the people flaming them right now (being both former members of these guilds or officers of the guild former members flocked to), would not be where they are at right now.

More bullshit. Without those guilds and the people that came through them, Ensh would have just recruited elsewhere. VT keys, Sleepers keys, epics, spells, gear and whatever "raid" experience they members may or may not have had is relatively insignificant in the recruitment process because as Saevrok rightly pointed out, you get everything you need from the guild you are applying to.

Nobody is tearing down EoD's accomplishments here - just the moronic idea that anyone owes EoD some sort of debt or tribute for their current achievements. Nexi and Saevrok have it right (I can't believe I'm saying that about Saev): EoD is dead. Quit with the CPR already.

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Clat2 · Post by **Clat2** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:21 am

Cleptow,

Given the painful, quarrelsome, and often extended discussions we have about recruits and recruiting, it was no suprise to me that EoD flamed out the way it did. You simply grew too big too fast IMO.

To be a "top" EQ guild, I believe you have to have a group of people with a relatively common perspective about life and how gaming fits into their lives.

As you know, raiding can be frustrating, boring, maddening, and disappointing. If you are going to spend as many hours as we do raiding, you had better get to really know (not nec. like) the people you are doing it with.

Not weeding out EQ players who are overly impatient, bad tempered, extremely immature, un-teachable bad gamers, overly dramatic, and/or blindingly selfish will kill a guild quickly. Was everyone in EoD like this? NO Where there a few in EoD that fit this description? YES

I think we picked up the cream of the crop from LoH and EoD. These folks have certainly helped our guild progress to the point we are at. Concluding that the former EoD members made Enshadowed what it is today, however, is incorrect. As Saev said, we had a strong core of EQ players long before EoD was around. [/b]

Cleptow · Post by **Cleptow** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:24 am

Surlley I'll be at the local tacobell you can bring a dicionary I'll bring my little sister to kick your ass.

Kestri · Post by **Kestri** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:45 am

LOL one of the better rants in a while.

Zyllen · Post by **Zyllen** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:19 pm

Cleptow wrote:Surlley I'll be at the local tacobell you can bring a dicionary I'll bring my little sister to kick your ass.

Good Lord man! When you try to put someone down, make sure you spell the fucking sentence correctly, otherwise you are just reinforcing the notion that you are a stoned fucknut.

Cleptow · Post by **Cleptow** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:33 pm

Hey I could give a fuck about the grammer police.

Zyllen · Post by **Zyllen** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:38 pm

Cleptow wrote:Hey I could give a fuck about the grammer police.

Really? I couldn't tell. Glad you cleared it up. But, we were talking about your shitty spelling, not your grammar.

Teellony · Post by **Teellony** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:38 pm

Saying "Pull now Nexi" is not cyber

Nexibat · Post by **Nexibat** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:40 pm

No, but you saying "Pull it out now" is )

Nexibat · Post by **Nexibat** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:41 pm

Nexi and Saevrok have it right (I can't believe I'm saying that about Saev): EoD is dead. Quit with the CPR already.

Thanks bro )

sorry for the second post P

Lunarstorm · Post by **Lunarstorm** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:51 pm

LOL one of the better rants in a while.

I agre. Sadly, because it's a testament to how little is going on lately. This thread should perhaps have been entitled: "Cleptow-Agent-of-EoD vs. Brell"

Loon

OMG ICKHOR · Post by **OMG ICKHOR** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:53 pm

what the hell frenchetti?

we need more optimus prime pictures, dont tease.

Cleptow · Post by **Cleptow** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:54 pm

You know I really didn't mean to stir up so much shit.I like Ensh to tell the truth.I didn't like them when I was in EoD save a few. I remember many Ensh posting good luck wishes on our website,but I also remember all that was said about EoD by them here. I really still don't know what we did to piss them off back then, but there must have been something to turn them, I don't remember us comeing here cutting them down.I will never understand how anyone from EoD would want to join a guild that put them down so badly.When you said EoD were all asshats you didn't say except for so and so. You said all and now those same asshats are your comrads.I'm also done with this rant it's soundly derailed.

To answer Knotts question on where is EoD. The flag reads Enshadowed.

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:59 pm

Ddrak wrote:just the moronic idea that anyone owes EoD some sort of debt or tribute

For the countless jokes during raids to keep people awake, EoD - I thank YOU!

Nexibat · Post by **Nexibat** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:05 pm

For the countless jokes during raids to keep people awake, EoD - I thank YOU![quote][/quote]

You bet burz, now wheres my l33t gear from time you promised me!

Araden · Post by **Araden** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:24 pm

LoL, this thread is hilarius. Hey Cleptow, EoD was competition to Sojo at the time of their demise.

Ya know, I read a post from someone on a class board about how the higher end guilds on that person's server laugh and take bets for how long the next "uber" guild of asshats will last before it breaks up from self immolation.

Reminds me of brell quite a bit

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