Senate shake-up

[Partha]

When Fallakin says 'show me they don't share any commonalities', what he's really trying to do is end the debate without ever having to justify himself, since any utterance by any Nazi or 'Progressive' that even remotely sounds the same can be used for that kind of Clintonian chop-parsing.

Jonah Goldberg used the same device in his book Liberal Fascism. It would not surprise me if Fallakin read that tome of horrors and actually thought it made sense.

[Lurker]

He did. You took part in the discussion.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Yes, Embar, making a play on Seinfeld's "Soup Nazi" joke is just as disrespectful as trying to rewrite history and smear entire political ideologies by tying them to the Nazis. Great point!

You have to be fucking kidding me. Actually, I shouldn't be surprised Embar keeps using these kind of ploys as opposed to actually addressing the issue. It's a bunch of "well you this (insert something totally unrelated or comparable)" rather than actually saying anything.

Who isn't addressing the actual issue?

Besides you don't get it at all, you are trying to paint it as something it's not just to avoid addressing Fallakin's crazy hatred. I don't go around using the term against other people to demonize them.

That really wasn't your complaint, now was it. You spouted off about how misusing the word nazi cheapened the horro of the holocaust. I merely point out that you engage in the same stuff. Is it ok when you do it but not ok when Fall does it? Or something else, like its ok if he misues the word like you misue the word, but not ok when you think he's crossed the line.

Can't have it both ways there.

[Lurker]

Embar, give it a rest. What Fallakin attempted in this thread with his warped view that progressives have commonalities to Nazis is not in any way similar to Harlowe riffing on a Seinfeld joke when talking about sweets or aerobics. You need to take a step back and think about why you won't say "boo" about Fallakin's sick rhetoric but you'll spend your time trying to shift this to Harlowe.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Because I hold Halrowe to a higher standard than Fallakin.

You've been down this road several times with Fall, and you get into the same 4-page dance of yes-you-did, no-you-didn't. You proclaiming some kind of victory, and then he claiming the same. its tiresome, its tedious, and quite frankly, its beneath you. And everybody gets to suffer along while nothing of consequence changes. You're not going to lead him out of his viewpoint, you aren't Yoda, so quit the pretense. Just drop it and move on. The quicker you get back to ignoring those comments the quicker real discussion heads back to the boards.

[Lurker]

Fair enough. I think Fallakin would stop spouting off this sort of ignorant bullshit and it would improve the discourse on the boards if everyone denounced his wingnut views, and I don't in any way equate what Harlowe said to what Fallakin said... but fair enough.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

He did. You took part in the discussion.

I read less than half of it when we talked about it here.

There was some pretty insane shit in there.

When I say 'show me they don't share any commonalities' I mean just that. I'm not trying to end the debate, I'm trying to get you to actually research it yourself and show me they don't.

Right... you were just defending yourself when you asked Partha how it felt to be aligned with Hitler. That wasn't an attempt to demonize him at all.

That still doesn't equate to me calling someone a 'Nazi'. I simply asked how it felt that a viewpoint of his aligned with one of Hitler's.

[Embar Angylwrath]

Fallakin..

Shut up about the nazi shit. You may notice that people actually entertained your arguments when you stayed away from that crap. What are you more interested in... a debate on political topics? Or a wrestling match in pig-shit? Are nazi comments really necessary to you making your polical arguments? Is that the only tool in your debate toolbox? Move on, dude. Find another way to get your point across that doesn't get side tracked into semanticas and posturing. I've seen your logical arguments improve over the last year or two, and your ability to deliver them improve as well. You don't need to engage in this, it only detracts from the legitimacy of your viewpoint.

Lurker is moving on, Harlowe is moving on... you move on as well. Get back to the meaty subjects and leave this nazi crap to those less equipped to make a cogent argument.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

I wasn't trying to engage in the "Nazi" part of this and Partha, Lurker and Harlowe should be smart enough to realize that Hitler's views, while he eventually became the leader of the Nazi party, do not always equate to those being the same as the views of the party itself. Hitler, while being a despicable person, is not the end all be all of the Nazi party either. Himmler and Goebells were just as bad if not worse.

What pisses me off about you guys is you can't have a conversation around here where Hitler or his beliefs come up and discuss them intellectually without people flipping the fuck out, the past 3 pages of this thread are proof of that. You talk about it and its so "insane" and "nutjob" and all that happened was talking about one of Hitler's beliefs, not even discussing the Nazi Party as a whole. You all claim to be so open-minded and intelligent, yet you're all acting like a bunch of close-minded fools.

I'll drop it, because thats whats best in the end. It's completely and utter bullshit that a simple statement about a single ideology devolved into this retardation.

Embar, thanks for being the only open-minded one here.

[Partha]

Considering what Hitler's vision spawned, I wonder what Jecks would have to say about your little diatribe.

And THAT'S the reason everyone goes apeshit when you start discussing Nazism. And if the human race is to improve, that should be the default setting.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Shouldn't we dissect these psychopath's views so as not to repeat their mistakes?

[Partha]

What part of 'Jews are trying to control the world, are impure, and must be exterminated' really needs dissection?

[Lurker]

That also wasn't what the wingnut was trying to do. This is just another example of propaganda flowing directly from Glenn Beck's mouth into the lemmings head and vomited onto the boards two days later.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

Um, no. That was an honest question.

[Fallakin Kuvari]

What part of 'Jews are trying to control the world, are impure, and must be exterminated' really needs dissection?

I mean past psychopath leaders in general, not just 'that which should not be spoken of'.

[Ddrak]

It's worth reading about the economics of Germany in the 30s and the political trickery Hitler used to get into power. His biggest opponents were the Social Democrats (who had the trade unions) and Communists. It was largely by appealing to the industrialists that he was able to become chancellor despite the National Socialists really being a dwindling force in the parliament, where he could quickly assume emergency powers and enact economic policies which were so far removed from anything possible (or desirable) in the US that it's laughable to draw any parallels.

Essentially, his economic platform was to close the borders to foreign monetary trade, reinvest vast amounts of government borrowing into nation building exercises (highways, industry, etc.), raise taxes and deficits heavily to support this, disband trade unions and replace them with the Gestapo-driven GLF which introduced the 72 hour work week, and all sorts of other short-term payoffs.

By WW2, German industry was humming at a frantic pace but the nation as a whole was going bankrupt in the background while the German population worked themselves to death in fear of reprisal. The National Socialists were not "socialist" in any sense of the word, they were closer to imperialists and slave-drivers. The Nazi's real political enemies *were* the communists and true socialists while their allies of convenience (not policy) were the industrialists who were just sucking government money to empower their own empires.

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