Njorls, get a life

[Gelly kitty]

This thread is missing me saying something to a woman about sex!

Gelli..... will you take me under your wing and teach me the proper ways to please a woman? Just want to be the best that I can be!

There! now the thread is complete. And I'm not surprised by Debbie, I remember all that Abyss shit too.

Yes. Easy. All men should be taught this in school.

Go buy a raquette ball (little blue rubber ball, buy by the can I think). buy one new then wash it just to be safe. Now jam it into your mouth and chew on it all day. By all day I mean for hours at a time.

This does a lot of things. it tones muscles. and it teaches you to breath through your nose.

[Ddrak]

I this the part where we respond to Gelly's generalizations about men with generalizations about lesbians attitudes to men?

Dd

[Gelly kitty]

I this the part where we respond to Gelly's generalizations about men with generalizations about lesbians attitudes to men?

Dd

Actually this is the part where Ddrak takes a personal observation, calls it a generalization, then slams geli for something she not say.

What I did say is that my statements are anectdotal. I did say specifically that I not painting ALL men with this brush. Only chiming in with my personal experiences with men and the "Screamer" lable. Thought I qualified myself pretty well in first two posts, but some men read like they fuck. Not pay enough attention and leave everyone involved wanting more from them.

Another point of note, I never claim that ALL lezbians were better them male lovers. I have had male lovers that outperform women. This was not meant to be gender bashing except in the lightest possible humor.

[Jarlean]

However, I go with Ddrak here.

You did make generalizations, fucking huge ass ones.

First, you stated that ALL women are screamers. Don't backpedal, that is EXACTLY what you said in your first post.

I can't really nail you on the other ones, since you used "many" instead of "all" and Many can be interpreted differently. Nice covering of the tracks.

[Awea]

mmmm, rubber ball....

And yeah, multiple orgasms are true. But umm... never took me 4-5 hours Gell.

[Gelly kitty]

However, I go with Ddrak here.

You did make generalizations, fucking huge ass ones.

First, you stated that ALL women are screamers. Don't backpedal, that is EXACTLY what you said in your first post.

I can't really nail you on the other ones, since you used "many" instead of "all" and Many can be interpreted differently. Nice covering of the tracks.

I'm sorry. I was using conversational form and not debative. Perhaps I counted too heavily on an implied "in my experience". for that I apologise. In fairness I did frame my statement with a post explaining that I was trying to introduce a bit of subtle levity. my skills at subtle are not quite par. or too subtle perhaps.

Awea, I only say that it can sometimes take 4-5 hours not that it needs to. I read in a book on subject that average length of time for sex was arround 10 minutes. and that most women don't have multiple orgasm. and I think "duh".

My comment was that it is a travesty to assign labels such as "quiet in bed" or "single orgasm" because very often those labels are used to set the bar for sexual effort. That is all, but I suppose someone will dissagree with that too.

[Gelly kitty]

mmmm, rubber ball....
.

Yes a rubber ball.

Women in general but especially hetero women can/should excersise their pubococcygeal muscle.

Counter to that everyone, men and woman, should be able to keep their mouth open for more than 20 minutes without cramping. You want to be really appealing sexually to a woman, have good jaw muscles.

[Ddrak]

Another point of note, I never claim that ALL lezbians were better them male lovers. I have had male lovers that outperform women. This was not meant to be gender bashing except in the lightest possible humor.

Nor was it meant to be Gelly bashing except in the lightest possible humor. If I'd meant to bash you I wouldn't have been so obtuse about it - you should know that of me by now. ;-)

I did seem to strike a nerve though. Sensitive much about people assuming you hate men?

Dd

[Gelly kitty]

First, you stated that ALL women are screamers. Don't backpedal, that is EXACTLY what you said in your first post.
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Thought I might nail this one down, since it is the only point you felt you could say with any certainty.

What I said was that all women will scream under the right stimulation. This statement is 100% true. This was the only blanket statement I made in my original post, everything else was framed in personal experience.

while a generalization as you claim, I think Zan did a pretty good job of proving it. Had hoped it wouldn't come down to semantic nitpicking

[Gelly kitty]

I did seem to strike a nerve though. Sensitive much about people assuming you hate men?

Dd

lol. no. but man-hating lezbian is a stereotype that I usually try to plainly discourage. If I make a comment critical of women I am a bitch or dyke or worse. Critical of men, and I am a man-hating lezbian. truth is I had no really bad experiences with men. have had more horrible relationships with women. But everytime you say lezbian people wonder what man hurt you. so I take active role in squashing that myth.

[Ddrak]

What I said was that all women will scream under the right stimulation.

Not if you remove their vocal cords first. Then they just make this gurgling sound instead.

Dd

[Jarlean]

Saying that *all* women scream under stimulation isn't hardly any different then saying all women scream. You're still making a generalization, saying that all women scream.

Do you know all women? No. Maybe some women don't like to scream. Maybe, like Ddrak said, their vocal cords really ARE torn out.

And so what, it's late, I'm bored. Let's argue semantics. You're right, I even Said that was the only thing I could really nail you on, thanks for pointing out the obvious though.

DId you miss the "Nice job covering your tracks" Or choose to ignore it?

[Jarlean]

I'm young and I've already learned to never say something is 100% true. Maybe one day you'll learn too. Nothing is EVER completely 100% in this life. Of course, by my own rules, I shouldn't say that. Hmm. That's quite a paradox...

[Gelly kitty]

What I said was that all women will scream under the right stimulation.

Not if you remove their vocal cords first. Then they just make this gurgling sound instead.

Dd

Now this is just getting silly. of course it's possible to make a woman incapable of screaming. NOs or perhaps Ddraks surgery idea. that doesn't contradict my saying that any woman can be made to scream under right stimulation. man to for that matter.

A better argument agains my flagrant generalization would be to point out that some women are mute to begin with. so technically my generalization is flawed under this point of view. YET! even the vocally challenged develope a type of emphatic gesturing that replaces actuall vocal screaming so I call for a pass on this loophole.

Getting back to personal experience, this type of emphatic gesturing usually acompanies the loud loud vocal response anyway, but that just my perception.

[Jarlean]

There's nothing wrong with silly arguments

But I'm gonna go to sleep tonight. Gotta work on my jaw muscles before I go.

[Gelly kitty]

I'm young and I've already learned to never say something is 100% true. Maybe one day you'll learn too. Nothing is EVER completely 100% in this life. Of course, by my own rules, I shouldn't say that. Hmm. That's quite a paradox...

Tell you what. I will restate. Under the right stimulation 100% of women CAPABLE of screaming can be made to scream. call it a draw?

Do you understand that our conversational language form allows , through courtesy, for something that is right 99% of the time to be reffered to as always? Imgine statements you may have heard using "absolutes". "Everytime he gets drunk, he wets himself", "that guy always pisses me off". Whatever, you get idea. If you challenged every absolute statement you hear you wouldn't get through the day.

as for your remark about covering my tracks. Using quantifiers like Many, and Often are not to cover my tracks. I used those words specifically because they conveyed my thoughts most accurately. If only 5 people in this whole world ever behaved that way I would still asses that as "far too often". Perhaps you would not.

[Gelly kitty]

Sorry, Public Safety Announcement.

If anyone is actually considdering the raquettball excersises, there is something I forgot. Put 2 quarter inch holes a quarter inch apart and atache a lanyard to it. This lets the ball collapse and lanyard give you something to extract ball with incase you hicup.

That said, this technique really will make you a true asset to your ladyfriend. but please please please take precaustion against choking, swallowing the ball. maybe have a spotter nearby? ok that was just to be funny.

[Relbeek Einre]

Foehammer has gone way beyond the realm of flirting and solidly into the realm of stalking.

Gelly, would you say practicing tying cherry stems might make an acceptable form of training?

[Narith]

Ok I am digging this conversation so I get to put my two cents in.... Plus having 6 of 8 of the people I hang out with in RL being lesbians I hope i know a little what I am talking about

First off....

Yes it may take 4 or 5 hours of effort but really anything less is settleing. Not to make remarks against men in general but many of them are only concerned with one orgasm, their own.

Now i would like to point out from personal expereince that many women can not go that long straight through (not counting foreplay, though counting foreplay you still barely reach 4 hours). Usually around the 3 hour mark I am being told "It feels so good, and I don't want to, but it is starting to hurt so we have to stop" which is because even when you are going at it a women will run out of natural lubrication and I am sure a few of you know that dry sex is bad. Now with lesbian sex I am assuming alot of it is oral (my friends won't let me watch very often so I am only going by an educated geuss) so saliva woul play a part in lubricating and therefore can go longer. So anyways as alot of times I end up finishing myself off (hopefully with a little help from my partner though there have been times where she rolls falls asleep /sigh) I know that a good deal of women out there are more concerened about thier own orgasms as well..... It's a selfish world we live in .

Now by screamer do you mean screaming top of lungs or we talking any loud noises from shouting your name to constant moans? Cause I agree that if you do it right you will always get a loud reaction from a woman, but if you mean only a screaming orgasm I have to disagree again. I have seen women who when they reach orgasm will hold thier breath and not say a word but thier back arches body tenses and they still grab fist fulls of your hair while thier face turns bright red from holding thier breath (think it possibly has to do with that whole asphyxiation deal some people are into, personal opinions on that I will save for another day).

Outta curiosity does that raquetball thing really work? I always went under the assumption practice made perfect, but I suppose if that were a true way to increase and tone jaw muscles that would be kinda cool .

Oh and yes I am a slut by deffinition and yes I have done more things than most perverts have fetishes for. If you have a problem with that, blow me.

[Narith]

Oh yeah and not all lesbians hate men, but they sure as hell like punching us and blaming us for most of the wrongs in the world /snicker.