Is originality a pre-requisite for beauty?

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Embar Angylwrath wrote:
Partha wrote:Why don't we just worry about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
Because a person moved by something beautiful is more enriched than angels dancing on pins.

But I am interested in your philosophy of beauty, Partha. What inspires you to think of something as "beautiful"? Is everything you see as beautiful, unique as well?
Embar, you are high. =)

With regard to finding your own children beautiful, well of course you do. If you didn't find beauty in your children, you'd probably be a sociopath.

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I dislike how this forum is all love and butterflies compared to the Political Section. We did not need a polar opposite -.-
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Well, it's harder to tell someone they are wrong if you've already acknowledged that you're talking philosophy.

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Beauty is only the product of our desires and experiences. Therefore it must be unique to me. We may both find something beautiful, but we probably would for different reasons.
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I disagree entirely that uniqueness is a necessary component of beauty. Twins or triplets can be beautiful after all.
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There is also the idea that there really is no such thing as originality. A part from one of my favorite scripts offers:
Imagination can't create anything new can it? It only recycles bits and pieces from the world and reassembles them into visions. So when we think we've escaped the unbearable ordinariness and, well, untruthfulness of our lives it's really only the same old ordinariness and falseness rearranged into the appearance of novelty and truth. Nothing unknown is knowable.
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This will sound dumb, because it is:

My experience has been that beauty is the result of hyper-awareness. There are times when, in the midst of my own ennui or low grade depression with respect to the rest of the world that I am struck by how beautiful everything is, how there are literally millions of interactions happening on the planet, the maintainance of systems among systems among systems, all working together--and not in some Hallmark-y free love hipster kind of way--but in that adversity, evil, etc are just as requisite for the world to function as "good" and virtuous actions are. Sometimes when this happens I feel as though I am aware of everything at once, from those tiny red bugs that crawl in sidewalk moss to the image of the pale blue dot a la Sagan that's filed away in my head. I understand in that moment that it is all necessary.

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Harlowe wrote: This thread is going to start shitting fairies and woodland creatures.
Gotta repopulate the game world somehow.

Or did you really think that all those pixies slaughtered in GFay come back on their own?
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Simple Answer, Yes.

I do not think it is a blanket pre-requisite though.

Every time I witness something that I consider beautiful, it is immediately less beautiful. Unlike many who might be considered artistic, which I don't consider myself to be, I lose interest at each interval I am witness to it. I experience a sculpture, scenery, woman, philosophy, melody, ect and feel less need to do so again if any at all.
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irregularity , only when its an accent, and not a malformity is what makes beauty I believe. Look at some of the women out there that lacked body symmetry.
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Minute wrote:Simple Answer, Yes.

I do not think it is a blanket pre-requisite though.

Every time I witness something that I consider beautiful, it is immediately less beautiful. Unlike many who might be considered artistic, which I don't consider myself to be, I lose interest at each interval I am witness to it. I experience a sculpture, scenery, woman, philosophy, melody, ect and feel less need to do so again if any at all.
They say that familiarity breeds contempt, but I think that just means that you've internalized a part of that beauty.
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What a Positive spin on it Riggen. That makes me feel better about being such an unartistic prick. I wish I'd have had that line in the past. I've humped several hippy art majors and I'm sure that line could have saved me drudging through a lot of craptastic galleries.
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I understand in that moment that it is all necessary.
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I'm not sure if I think of it in the same relatively downer context as the Tool lyric. Maybe 'acceptance' is a better word than 'necessary'.
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I <3 Arkaron. She is exactly the artistic deeper-then-thou type of old soul that has figured out things/the world/universe/life in a way that I just don't seem genetically built to understand. I don't hate myself for not being capable of grasping it, because I have tried, I just adore her for being able to.
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I just don't seem genetically built to understand.
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You think? I've often wondered about that. Had I been exposed or educated in the area would I then have a sudden appreciation for it. More so, would be an educated appreciation or an honest one? In other words, when I looked at something or heard some poetry would I know what to look for and thus understand it, or is it just something inside certain people that is moved the right way?

I will say that I find myself looking for meaning behind the surface. I just don't necessarily see it like others do.
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Minute wrote:You think? I've often wondered about that. Had I been exposed or educated in the area would I then have a sudden appreciation for it. More so, would be an educated appreciation or an honest one? In other words, when I looked at something or heard some poetry would I know what to look for and thus understand it, or is it just something inside certain people that is moved the right way?

I will say that I find myself looking for meaning behind the surface. I just don't necessarily see it like others do.
It's a possibility. One of the largest issues with the interpretation of artistic expressions is the problem of context. When we respond to the works of another person, or even that of the natural world, we see it through our own unique concept of how the world is. We each have our own pattern of needs and experiences, and will respond to any given experience differently, according to how it fits into our pattern of needs and experiences.

A well designed literature or art appreciation class generally exists to supply you with the means to extend your base context to a more inclusive context, in order to understand what the author or artist intended to convey. Once that context is supplied, however, you still have to provide your own reaction, reframed to your own understanding. It is not less natural, but requires another layer of abstraction from your daily experience. The largest barrier, however, is generally the refusal to even attempt to extend context. Usually, this gets seen in: "I don't like that kind of stuff." Or "Art's pointless, it sucks."

The older I get, the more I seem to 'get' classical art. I don't think it's changing, just me.
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Dammit, you were supposed to get mad so I could follow up and call you a hot head. I hate this forum.
Had I been exposed or educated in the area would I then have a sudden appreciation for it. More so, would be an educated appreciation or an honest one? In other words, when I looked at something or heard some poetry would I know what to look for and thus understand it, or is it just something inside certain people that is moved the right way?
I think the truly educated know how to combine both the artist's intent and their own perspective.
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I don't think education has anything to do with it. It's an inner sense of beauty and art and artistic comprehension, however those who are more formally educated might have a different take on things because they were instructed on how to grasp the concept of art and or beauty. You can never understand the artists intent unless they tell you what THEY were thinking, or feeling at the time, and even then it might not move you the same way but you'll have a greater understand of the artist, not necessarily the art.
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