Suicide

[Ariannda Kusanagi]

I have a long post saved but a big part of me think it's TMI...

[Embar Angylwrath]

Suicidal thoughts and acts stem from depression. They are not manipulative in nature. People who want to kill themselves are in a place where they see no hope, no light. They want to end the pain they feel. Suicidal people are not attention whores. They are not fakes. They are people who have reached a precipice in their minds and see no other alternative than to fall off the cliff.

It doesn't make sense to people that have never looked into the abyss and abandoned hope. And it never will.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

That's my litmus test for life; if something is easy then it's probably the wrong thing.

I would just like to point out this also stands true for women.

Agreed.

[Turaylon Soulshadow]

Suicidal thoughts and acts stem from depression. They are not manipulative in nature. People who want to kill themselves are in a place where they see no hope, no light. They want to end the pain they feel. Suicidal people are not attention whores. They are not fakes. They are people who have reached a precipice in their minds and see no other alternative than to fall off the cliff.

It doesn't make sense to people that have never looked into the abyss and abandoned hope. And it never will.

I think one of the problems is a lot of people who aren't really suicidal pretend to be to get attention, which in turn aggravates the majority of people so when someone really does need help everyone shrugs it off thinking they are just trying to cause drama until it's too late. The whole 'emo' scene does that and it's fucking stupid. And the whole shit with cutting yourself? Give me a fucking break. You aren't hard or edgey because you make scratches on your arm with a razor. I had a rusty nail get dragged from my wrist to my elbow camping one time (arm got caught in a cabin door) and I didn't even notice it until my friend looked at me and pointed out the fact that I was dripping blood all over the place. Most of them are just spoiled kids who try to manipulate people into giving them what they want and it ends up fucking over those who really do just need someone to talk to.

[Sinaiel]

I think one of the problems is a lot of people who aren't really suicidal pretend to be to get attention, which in turn aggravates the majority of people so when someone really does need help everyone shrugs it off thinking they are just trying to cause drama until it's too late. The whole 'emo' scene does that and it's fucking stupid. And the whole shit with cutting yourself? Give me a fucking break.

Cutting is frequently symptomatic of borderline personality disorder. People with BPD tend to be capable manipulators. They can have recurrent suicidal behavior, which is a means of manipulating others. These people do have a real problem and should be seen by a mental health professional.

I think there is a distinction to be made between between people who actually commit suicide, and people who make suicide attempts. According to the CDC among 15-24 year olds there is one suicide for every 100-200 attempts. Those ratios decrease with older population groups; adults over 65 have one suicide for every four attempts.

[Turaylon Soulshadow]

I think one of the problems is a lot of people who aren't really suicidal pretend to be to get attention, which in turn aggravates the majority of people so when someone really does need help everyone shrugs it off thinking they are just trying to cause drama until it's too late. The whole 'emo' scene does that and it's fucking stupid. And the whole shit with cutting yourself? Give me a fucking break.

Cutting is frequently symptomatic of borderline personality disorder. People with BPD tend to be capable manipulators. They can have recurrent suicidal behavior, which is a means of manipulating others. These people do have a real problem and should be seen by a mental health professional.

I think there is a distinction to be made between between people who actually commit suicide, and people who make suicide attempts. According to the CDC among 15-24 year olds there is one suicide for every 100-200 attempts. Those ratios decrease with older population groups; adults over 65 have one suicide for every four attempts.

It my be the sympton of something, but I highly doubt every little douchebag hanging outside hot topic wearing girl's pants and having their partially bleached hair in their eyes has a mental disorder other than being an emo fucknugget.

[Minute]

Being dead may be better than being alive. Even if you aren't a religious person, nothing is better than misery. Still, I've always considered suicide pathetic. I chalk it up to taking the easy way out, and that road is for pussies.

[Turaylon Soulshadow]

Being dead may be better than being alive. Even if you aren't a religious person, nothing is better than misery. Still, I've always considered suicide pathetic. I chalk it up to taking the easy way out, and that road is for pussies.

You've never been to a psychiatric ward or any kind of counseling group, have you? Some people just can't help it.

[Select]

If you are tired of chicks not giving you the time of day, start working out.

Haha, but if your personality is shit, that's much tougher to change and people resist making that change.

Tur, I don't think he was specifying that it was for men... It's "durr" that it's doesn't just apply to them.

[Embar Angylwrath]

If you are tired of chicks not giving you the time of day, start working out.

Haha, but if your personality is shit, that's much tougher to change and people resist making that change.

Tur, I don't think he was specifying that it was for men... It's "durr" that it's doesn't just apply to them.

Holy jeezaus.. can you get more shallow than this post?

[Select]

Nope. It's so shallow, stick a fingernail in and touch the bottom.

[Turaylon Soulshadow]

If you are tired of chicks not giving you the time of day, start working out.

Haha, but if your personality is shit, that's much tougher to change and people resist making that change.

Tur, I don't think he was specifying that it was for men... It's "durr" that it's doesn't just apply to them.

Have you completely forgotten how to type coherent sentences? I've had like 4 people read this and they all agree it makes no fucking sense at all.

[Select]

I'll clarify.

Haha, but if your personality is shit, that's much tougher to change and people resist making that change.

Was for

If you are tired of chicks not giving you the time of day, start working out.

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Tur, I don't think he was specifying that it was for men... It's "durr" that it's doesn't just apply to them.

Was for

Freecare Spiritwise wrote: That's my litmus test for life; if something is easy then it's probably the wrong thing.

I would just like to point out this also stands true for women.

Which is why I didn't have it on the same line as my first reply. Perhaps I should have included the quote or split the posts.

[Alluveal]

Unless someone is in physical pain (and has a terminal illness and will die in a lengthy and horrifically painful manner,) then I think suicide is for fucking pussies if they're only excuse is, "life sucks."

[Harlowe]

Unless someone is in physical pain (and has a terminal illness and will die in a lengthy and horrifically painful manner,) then I think suicide is for fucking pussies if they're only excuse is, "life sucks."

I feel the same, though I'd add in "mental illness".

For me the absolute worst are people that "threaten" others with suicide. They are manipulative pieces of shit. I have zero pity for anyone that plays that card in order to manipulate others or get attention. I'm sorry if people do not give you enough attention or broke up with you or whatever fucked up reason you have for threatening something like that, but go ahead - just remember down the road, not across the street.

[Select]

If they threaten, you call the cops.

[Arkaron]

Suicidal thoughts and acts stem from depression. They are not manipulative in nature. People who want to kill themselves are in a place where they see no hope, no light. They want to end the pain they feel. Suicidal people are not attention whores. They are not fakes. They are people who have reached a precipice in their minds and see no other alternative than to fall off the cliff.

It doesn't make sense to people that have never looked into the abyss and abandoned hope. And it never will.

Thank you.

There's no 'waking up and changing what sucks about your life' as many in the thread have suggested without outside intervention in the form of therapy and drugs. Clinical depression is more than just mood, your body enters a depressed state that renders you exhausted physically and robs the mind of its agility. Suicidal thoughts, having a plan, or attempted suicide are the result of the mind existing in so much agony that it creates scenarios where logically it makes sense to die.

And no, it won't make any sense unless you've been there or watched someone close to you go there. It's like the Hades condition on Earth.

[Minute]

Uggh... you know I might have a little more sympathy for that whole 'clinical depression' bullshit if every fucking pansy ass puss rag who hates their job, or can't afford the new beamer series, or can't get a hot girl wasn't crying wolf with it. Oh god, life is so hard... waa waaa waaaaaaaaaa... I just can't take it! I want to drop those fuckers off in Cambodia for a few months. Suck it up you pathetic fucking pussies.

[Arkaron]

I know what you're saying, Minute, but the person you're describing is a douchebag, not somebody with a mental illness. Clinical depression is marked by measurable neurochemical variables, like levels of serotonin or the rate at which serotonin is manufactured and processed in a given person's brain.

So, for someone with abnormal serotonin, you get them on some kind of stabilizer. Then, they start to see out of the 'dark' that Embar and I have described. Then they can start things like workout regiments and other helpful activity with greater success.

[Minute]

Yeah, I know there isn't a blanket statement. But I also know that you could trace anything back far enough and you'll find a 'reason' for a hardship. Abused as a child, not enough attention, mommy didn't have enough iron in her breast milk. Psychological, chemical, or otherwise. And all of that is perfectly valid, but that doesn't mean that it isn't still a hardship. Life is full of them, and everyone has them. As with all hardships in life the willingness of the mind to suck it up, face them, and do what has to be done is still necessary.