Some U.S. Students Say Press Freedoms Go Too Far

[Embar Angylwrath]

Church schools do suppress questioning of established beliefs more than secular public schools do. It's more than just respect, though the pundits of the private system would never admit to it - after all they've probably been indoctrinated by the church system themselves.

Dd

Ever debate with a Jesuit?

Your statement is patently false.

[Embar Angylwrath]

BTW, teh funny here is Embar's statement that Catholic schools teach respect. Anyone else remember being a teenager? In my experience, the wildest kids were almost always the ones who had gone to Catholic schools.

Plenty to rebel against.

Remember any of those kids shooting or stabbing a teacher?

[Ddrak]

Ever debate with a Jesuit?

Yes. It does nothing to counter my statement but actually served to reinforce it.

Your statement is patently false.

Sorry, proof by blatant assertion went out of style for me when I turned six, well except for those teachers I had that still believed it was valid.

Remember any of those kids shooting or stabbing a teacher?

Because the only method of rebellion that comes to mind is killing a teacher? Grow up, Embar.

Dd

[Relbeek Einre]

I don't remember any teacher in the Twin Cities being shot or stabbed by a student.... ever. Though my high school English teacher was killed by a drunk driver a couple years ago...

Maybe the drunk driver went to public school.

[superwalrus]

Embar, as a Republican you are not allowed to support Catholic schools. Catholics are all going to hell for idolatry. They are to be pitied and hated, not admired.

Walrus

[Embar Angylwrath]

Ever debate with a Jesuit?

Yes. It does nothing to counter my statement but actually served to reinforce it.

Your statement is patently false.

Sorry, proof by blatant assertion went out of style for me when I turned six, well except for those teachers I had that still believed it was valid.

Remember any of those kids shooting or stabbing a teacher?

Because the only method of rebellion that comes to mind is killing a teacher? Grow up, Embar.

Dd

You go to a Catholic school?

I did.

You interact with many students from other Catholic schools?

I did.

You're just making some unwarranted assumptions with little substance and less experience to back them up.

Nice troll though.

[SicTimMitchell]

Remember any of those kids shooting or stabbing a teacher?

What Relbeek said. I don't recall any student ever stabbing or shooting a teacher in the Twin Cities. Certainly none I knew.

You interact with many students from other Catholic schools?

I did.

Me too. You raising a kid?

I am.

[Relbeek Einre]

You interact with many students from other Catholic schools?

I did.

I grew up in the most Catholic neighborhood in the Twin Cities. Of -course- I interacted with students who went to Catholic school. The only difference I could tell overall was that they carried this sense of arrogance that they were going to private school, as if they were consequently better people. And even then it wasn't as pronounced as Embar's.

Granted, the counterpoint to the knucling under to authority thing is the sense amongst many Catholics that six days out of the week they can be as horrible as they wish, as long as they confess it on the seventh.

<joke>Gimme a Lutheran any day. They spread their guilt over all seven days. I love Minnesota.</joke>

[Syeni Soulslasher MK6]

The best BJ I have ever gotten in my life was from a chic that went to Catholic school.

I will also note some of the very wildest people I ever met went to Catholic schools.

[Partha]

What Relbeek said. I don't recall any student ever stabbing or shooting a teacher in the Twin Cities. Certainly none I knew.

At this point, I'm thinking the closest Embar ever got to a public school was to watch the first half of Lean On Me and that bad Jim Belushi movie where he was the principal. Didn't you know all public school kids are illiterate brown trash dealing drugs in the hall when they're not raping young white female teachers and beating or shooting young idealistic white male teachers?

[Relbeek Einre]

Except in Embar's world. Morgan Freeman with a bat was a Catholic school principal.

[Ddrak]

You go to a Catholic school?

No - I went to both public schooling and Lutheran schooling for high school. Last I looked, I didn't say "Catholic" in particular so I guess you're just smarting from something hitting too close to the mark?
Never once saw the Lutheran teachers argue the position of Catholicism, or Islam or Atheism for that matter. In fact, they seemed quite secure in their faith and didn't like any dissention from any student who wanted to question it in class.

You interact with many students from other Catholic schools?

Yes, but even more from Protestant schools. Are you trying to tell me that Catholic schools are more liberal than Protestant ones?

You're just making some unwarranted assumptions with little substance and less experience to back them up.

Absolutely not. I've had plenty of experience with the private church based school system, both while attending one and after school interacting with them (as well as public and non-church private schools).

However, you've just blown your whole argument apart by blatant hypocrisy:

Embar: Public schools suck because of XXX.
Me: Private schools suck because of XXX.
Embar: I went to a private school and you're wrong because you obviously didn't and so have no experience on the matter.

Thanks for playing Embar, but you've just shot down your whole public school diatribe in a bout of flaming hypocrisy. Learn that in your precious Catholic school?

Dd

[Burz]

You go to a Catholic school?

No - I went to both public schooling and Lutheran schooling for high school. Last I looked, I didn't say "Catholic" in particular so I guess you're just smarting from something hitting too close to the mark?
Never once saw the Lutheran teachers argue the position of Catholicism, or Islam or Atheism for that matter. In fact, they seemed quite secure in their faith and didn't like any dissention from any student who wanted to question it in class.

You interact with many students from other Catholic schools?

Yes, but even more from Protestant schools. Are you trying to tell me that Catholic schools are more liberal than Protestant ones?

You're just making some unwarranted assumptions with little substance and less experience to back them up.

Absolutely not. I've had plenty of experience with the private church based school system, both while attending one and after school interacting with them (as well as public and non-church private schools).

However, you've just blown your whole argument apart by blatant hypocrisy:

Embar: Public schools suck because of XXX.
Me: Private schools suck because of XXX.
Embar: I went to a private school and you're wrong because you obviously didn't and so have no experience on the matter.

Thanks for playing Embar, but you've just shot down your whole public school diatribe in a bout of flaming hypocrisy. Learn that in your precious Catholic school?

Dd

Homeschooling in the..umm...house!

[Embar Angylwrath]

Again, nice troll Dd. More drivel that essentially postulates your limited experience with this is more conclusive than mine. Hallmark of a troll.

[Relbeek Einre]

Embar, don't be an idiot.

His experience with Catholic school apparently mirrors yours with public school.

Yet you deem yourself more an authority on public school than Ddrak is on private school.

You're being blatantly hypocritical - and that's not even noting the sheer ridiculousness of your claims of authority based on such scant experience.

[Partha]

Hypocrisy from a neocon? Unthinkable!

[Ddrak]

Again, nice troll Dd. More drivel that essentially postulates your limited experience with this is more conclusive than mine. Hallmark of a troll.

Don't look in the mirror much do you? Your drivel is stating that your limited experience with private schooling is more conclusive than mine.

Once again, shooting yourself in the foot in a blaze of hypocritical idiocy. GJ

Dd

[Kulaf]

Face facts people......about 90% of all teachers do not want any form of debate about anything they are "teaching"......be that a religious or public school teacher. If you think you only get indoctrinated in private schools that just goes to show how brainwashed you are.

Or something like that.

[Arathena]

Yeah, unfortunately, the sad fact of the matter is, the Bill of Rights is run down like a shopping list of facts to memorize - There is no discussion of the importance of these rights, no discussion of why they were put in place, they're just presented as there, tested, and then done.

Combine this with the santization of literature classes, with books like Brave New World, Nineteen Eighty-Four, and One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich disappearing from the curriculum, students can go their entire lives without considering a world without personal freedoms, or a world where government is not their friend. Thus, we see things like this.

[SicTimMitchell]

Of course, you can teach your kids all that stuff yourself. Give 'em any damn book you want them to read, too.