Gub'ment skool antics, redux.

[Aabe]

If the law requires it, then the public schools get saddled with the private schools' refuse, as it is today.

Perhaps a change in the law to NOT saddle the public system as they currently are now is more in order then.

[Relbeek Einre]

Then what do we do with the discipline cases?

[Partha]

Send them to Iran!

[Partha]

The district said a Level 4 offense includes the use of any object or instrument used to make a threat or inflict harm, including a rubber band.

So glad they taught you reading at that fine private school, Embar.

Is that a law Partha?

So glad you took reading comprehension.

It's in the Code of Student Conduct at the school. Therefore, if the kid breaks the code, it's roughly analagous. And I'm not a big fan of 'zero tolerance', either, but seriously, the kid broke the rules, and you're throwing a hissy about it. You sure you're a "Libertarian", or are you an Anarchist?

[Aabe]

Then what do we do with the discipline cases?

Well, that would force a solution, wouldn't it. =D

But in our area they have a Mill High School for non traditional students. Those that want to focus on being trade trained, are pregnant, ect. Alternate school might be useful. A program that must be successfully completed. It must be completed by law or even a more restrictive program would be imposed. Would be fun to link it to financial penalties at some point to the parents, if the kids continue to require specail programs.

I remember in about 1968 we got a new superintendent at my home school that first started the "get em off the streets and into the schools" mantra. Up to that point you could be expelled if you were a repeated disruption to your classes.

It would be fun to see what Japan does. They seem to have a pretty good K-12 program. But they are culturally different, so may not apply.

[Arathena]

The Japanese educational system is only compulsory until the end of the 8th grade(I think it's the 8th). All secondary education in Japan essentially functions on the private school model, including vocational schools. All high schools have such things as entry exams. Some have higher standards than others.

[serenetie]

The zero tollerance stuff in American schools is fucking rediculous. Its bad enough to try to fuck up personal rights with conveniance-oriented reactionary politics but yer own kids?

My daughter is a junior in highschool and last week was suspended for standing up for her rights as she believed them to be . the way the school's get around this issue is they claim she was "defiant of authority" when she refused to leave her backpack in a room then leave the room so dogs could sniff the students backpacks.

She again refused when the principal told her to open it and in return she was suspended. a small phone call to the ACLU and she was able to go back the next day. its been a big issue here in our little city for the past week. she says she will again refuse as more dog searches are scheduled to be performed at random times.
The thing that pissed her off the most was right outside the door was a huge picture of Martin Luther king. as we walked away her only comment was "what hypocrites". seems she has a point.

Serenetie

[Relbeek Einre]

Love that War on Drugs...

What's the legal standing for backpack searches? I know locker searches are considered not a violation of privacy.

[Aabe]

The Japanese educational system is only compulsory until the end of the 8th grade(I think it's the 8th). All secondary education in Japan essentially functions on the private school model, including vocational schools. All high schools have such things as entry exams. Some have higher standards than others.

Thanks for the info. =) I know 20 yrs ago if it froze outside as a prisoner, it wasnt uncommon for you to get frostbite through the open barred window. I remembered that after I posted. They run a different culture over there. Not sure if its fair to say what works there will work here. But interesting to note they use private school for secondary ed. Interesting compromise to all private school.

[Arkaron]

While the information about Japan is interesting, it's not the best comparason due to the level of emphasis placed on academics there that you just don't find in American public schools. I'm sure there is a huge social stigma surrounding Japanese kids who don't test into the next grade levels, whereas in America you can live in Bumfuckville and not pass the 5th grade. Nobody will care in certain places.

The school can search lockers because they are property of the district, not the student. I don't know about backpacks.