Interesting about red/blue states and morality...

Kulaf · Post by **Kulaf** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:47 am

Don't you first both have to agree on what states are which color?

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:52 am

Bah. I don't want to donate it to any PACs!

And that bet won't work. There won't be useful statistics for 2004 for another year or more.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:52 am

(Er, and screw the Rants Board, I wanted the money!

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Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:29 pm

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

Torakus · Post by **Torakus** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:49 pm

I won't go too deep here, but I would not be at all surprised if the rates in Blue states were lower per capita. The tan line effect explains a lot of what you see as does the high concentration of Catholics in the blue states with the lowest divorce rates. I am not overly surprised that the areas where these issues seem to be a problem would vote republican. Why? Primarily its a matter of approach. The republicans approach them as morality issues that can be legislated away, total cost to the voter $0.00. The typical democrat approaches it as a social issue that the government can institute training, education or financial aid programs to correct, total cost to the voter $LOTS (as seen by the voter). My guess is that the typical voter swayed on these issues, in those areas, is going to vote with his/her pocket book, and since that pocket book is a lot thinner than his or her peers in the Northeast and Midwest (minus the prairie states) the vote will likely be for the zero dollar legislate my worries away approach.

Of course these are hardly the key issues that decide votes and making any correlation between morality issue rates and red/blue state status is ignorant at best.

Torakus

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:26 pm

Well I agree with your first paragraph.. your second, not so much. I don't think it's hugely significant, but it is interesting.

Torakus · Post by **Torakus** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:22 pm

Relbeek,

I was not calling your interest in the apparent connection ignorant. There is obviously some relationship. But I think the red/blue break has more to do with economics than anything. Its just that some of the extreme left folks that I read are trying to make it seem like somehow the republicans are responsible for this apparent hypocrisy among their red state supporters.

It is also pretty clear that the catholic vs. protestant division among red and blue states has a lot more to do with the split than some would like to accept. Which leads to a strange thought.

Could the democrats strengthen their southern and midwestern voter base by helping to spread or financially supporting catholicism in those areas? Even in a parish that is comprised of almost 1/3 military or government workers I am an oddball conservative. Would be interesting to see an actuall breakdown of the catholic vote in last election.

Tora

holymackreal · Post by **holymackreal** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 12:24 am

jookkor wrote:if you need a link to tell you that Arkansas has more teen pregnancy then Maine, I dont really think any link is going to help you.

And what is the percentage of minority living in Maine compared to Arkansas or populations of each state. The numbers can be made to benefit whoever is doing the polling.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:01 am

Interestingly, Maine is the most "red-state" of the blue states in terms of the polls ... North Dakota is the most "blue-state" of the red states.

Xtizu · Post by **Xtizu** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:19 am

my fault for reading but this just says the debating partys fap to partisan playschool politics.

Post by **Ddrak** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:24 pm

Blue states tend to be wealthier than Red states. Almost every morality issue is exacerbated by poverty. Of course Red states are going to exhibit more poverty related issues.

It's a sucker bet.

Dd

Alluveal · Post by **Alluveal** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:27 pm

Ahh, you mean those charts that have all red states except for a big blue dot where the cities are?

I bet it was all those rural folks in the RED areas that had all the divorces, teen pregnancies, high school drop-outs, etc. It couldn't possibly be the higher concentration of blue in the cities where people are crammed in like sardines.

Post by **Ddrak** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:18 pm

Hey Lulu - you do know the difference bewteen states and counties, right? However, if you have statistical information showing that your theory is correct, please present it, because I'm willing to be you are just making it up as you go.

Dd

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:52 pm

Wonder what those grey counties mean. Like most of Maine, parts of the Florida Keys...

Independent or evenly matched maybe? Or just a compter graphics error?

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 8:26 pm

Actually, the rural areas, despite popular myth, are just as if not more likely to suffer high rates of school dropouts and teen pregnancies.

Arturg · Post by **Arturg** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:09 am

Hardl anything the Republicans say has anything to do with "Morality" and if you think the Democrats are any better you should prob get your head outa your ass.

Its all about money ...

Xtizu · Post by **Xtizu** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:05 pm

what are the white and grey states?