I'm appalled

Alannia_Raindancer · Post by **Alannia_Raindancer** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:48 pm

pen wrote: There are certainly holes in the story (such as whether the child had been through councilling regarding this choice). Her mother was barred from being a parent at a critical time - I have issue with that.

Agree Pen. I've been trying to write that similar thought for days, and couldn't keep it short.

Kulaf · Post by **Kulaf** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:16 pm

Parenting.....one would think that if your 14 year old daughter has gotton pregnant by a 17+ year old man.....that parenting has already failed.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:27 pm

Kulaf wrote:Parenting.....one would think that if your 14 year old daughter has gotton pregnant by a 17+ year old man.....that parenting has already failed.

One would be wrong.

pen · Post by **pen** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:38 pm

I agree Embar. In fact, I might add, that in moments of crisis, children need parents more than ever.

Kulaf, your statement reflects the lack of dedication and persistence our government seems to be steering families toward.

Kulaf · Post by **Kulaf** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 5:51 pm

No....what I am saying is that if you believe in parental responsibility......then it needs to start prior to the event. An ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure. Coversely if you believe you taught your daughter right....and she still got pregnant.....then she is making the choice your parenting has instructed her is the right choice to make.

Saevrok · Post by **Saevrok** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:45 pm

Kids fuck up, the harder you try as a parent in the teens the harder they rebel, its a stilleto dance inbetween indifferance and prolonging the rebellion. You can teach them anything you want but its up to them to apply it.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 8:55 pm

I say that if the parents have the right to decide for their daughter whether to have an abortion (and would that work if they wanted her to have one and she didn't?) then if they compel her to carry to term, they are responsible for the child through adulthood -- unless, of course, at 18 the mother chooses to accept responsibility.

vaulos · Post by **vaulos** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:30 pm

Actually, I think you have made a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Unfortunately, since that is the rational answer, we may freely assume it will never become law.

Jarochai Alabaster · Post by **Jarochai Alabaster** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:21 am

Actually, I think you have made a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Unfortunately, since that is the rational answer, we may freely assume it will never become law.

It's so sad that this is true.

Post by **Ddrak** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:36 am

I agree with Relbeek and Vaulos.

The rant board will now self destruct.

Dd

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:46 am

I agree as well.

Yet another sign of the impending Ragnarok.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:54 am

But here's the next question - should the parents have the right to force the child to abort even if she doesn't want to?

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:55 am

Newp.

But I'm answering from the perspective that no one should be forced to kill another human.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:18 am

Well, you admit your bias then.

pen · Post by **pen** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:41 am

Unfair beek. I'd say we all have a bias one way or another on this subject.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:47 am

Parental control shouldn't be a death sentence for an innocent person Beek.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:48 am

Yes, yes, Embar, and we know what the retort to that assertion is, and it gets boring from there.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:10 pm

Yes, yes Beek. And we all know that your attempts to marginalize that philosophy are merely a dodge.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:20 pm

See, Embar, the difference here is that I understand it's a complicated issue and I can understand and accept you can have your philosophy and be respectful towards it, while you can't afford me the same courtesy. The only thing I'm "dodging" is enduring your sneering disrespect.

Post by **Ddrak** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:34 pm

Reading between the lines, I think Embar actually agrees that a minor can have their legal course of action dictated by their guardian. He just disagrees that abortion in general should be a legal right in any situation - even (as is the case in this example) rape.

Dd