Holy Father given last rites

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:56 pm

All that Cardinal talk and it wasn't about Baseball. Lame.

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:16 pm

I heard a rumor that there's a football team named the Cardinals, but nobody in Arizona can confirm or deny that.

Trollbait · Post by **Trollbait** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:13 pm

130 of those are actually Electors in the College

Those 130 are called the Conclave when they are in the process of electing a new pope....

The choice for Pope is supposed to be inspired by God....but who knows what goes on once the door closes...........

Saevrok · Post by **Saevrok** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:17 pm

Pfft, Fuck em.

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:35 pm

I think you're too old for them Saev.

Torakus · Post by **Torakus** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:50 pm

Trollbait wrote:
130 of those are actually Electors in the College

Those 130 are called the Conclave when they are in the process of electing a new pope....

The choice for Pope is supposed to be inspired by God....but who knows what goes on once the door closes...........

Actually only 120 of them vote. Thats sort of a new rule that JP2 instituted I believe. And they meet in conclave, they are not called The Conclave.

Ron

Saevrok · Post by **Saevrok** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:29 am

I can pretend I am nine and impressionable.

Faol · Post by **Faol** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:42 am

The wealth of misinformation on this thread is mind boggling.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:13 am

Interesting to note that John Paul appointed 117 of the 120 Cardinals who will be voting on the succession.

Ofjnir · Post by **Ofjnir** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:39 am

Interesting to note that John Paul appointed 117 of the 120 Cardinals who will be voting on the succession.

The other three were already taken out and buried with Jimmy Hoffa.

Aabe · Post by **Aabe** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:03 am

Embar Angylwrath wrote:Look for a new Pope who is conservative, much in the same way as John Paul. The big surprise is that we may have our first Latin American Pope. .

This pope was for lots of free aid for the poor, against the death penalty and against the wars in Iraq.

Not fully a conservative.

Arathena · Post by **Arathena** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:57 pm

Harlowe wrote:It would be nice if they didn't choose someone a 1,000 years old.

The selection of an elder man as Pope is generally very deliberate, and not only because of the old saws about age and wisdom, and etc. - Popes aren't ever up for re-election, amoung other things.

Also, Aabe, 'conservative' within the Catholic Church and within the American government are the same word applied to different concepts. The positions that you've stated are highly consistent with 'conservative' Catholiscm, which includes, amoung many other postions, that Human life is Sacred. You'll note that the pope was also anti-abortion, and generally, anti-euthanasia. This is consistancy, and stems from a single very important sentence: Thou Shalt Not Kill. On 'free aid to the poor', please note that personal charity is considered a cardinal virtue in Christianity: From those that can, to those that need. This concept permeates western religion. To adhere to it is not particularly 'liberal', nor 'conservative'. However, on many, many stances, John Paul II was extremely conservative on issues such as the role of women in the church, the condemnation of homosexuality, etc.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:12 pm

Harlowe wrote:It would be nice if they didn't choose someone a 1,000 years old.

I expected better from you Harlowe. Why all the hatin' on a man that wanted nothing more than human rights, protection of the innocent and basic human dignity?

Tholiak Eladamri · Post by **Tholiak Eladamri** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:20 pm

Washing Post and NY Times has already had several articles attacking the pope since his death...not surprising

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:23 pm

Actually I'm deeply bothered that one of the cardinals officiating the Pope's funeral is Cardinal "Pedophile Protector" Law... I'm like, wtf?

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:27 pm

JP2 was absolutely a conservative pope - in the sense "conservative" applies to Catholicism.

My biggest criticism of Catholicism is their stance on birth control - something I seriously question as biblical in any sense and even morally questionable. JP2 enforced and strengthened that stance - as you'd expect a conservative Catholic to do.

Dd

Kulaf · Post by **Kulaf** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:51 pm

Sin of Onin?

Harlowe · Post by **Harlowe** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:54 pm

Embar Angylwrath wrote:
Harlowe wrote:It would be nice if they didn't choose someone a 1,000 years old.
I expected better from you Harlowe. Why all the hatin' on a man that wanted nothing more than human rights, protection of the innocent and basic human dignity?

I was referring to the list of candidates

Not that I am a big fan of the Vatican, but I wasn't Pope-hatin.

Post by **Ddrak** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:13 pm

Sin of Onin?

That's biblical?!

Kulaf · Post by **Kulaf** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:29 pm

Sorry I misspelled it. It is Onan on Onin. Here is the biblial text from Genesis 38 of the KJB:

And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan. 5 And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him. 6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased [1] the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.