Brell Rants

myrlena devilicious · Post by **myrlena devilicious** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:24 am

Partha,

I WILL note that at least one of the posters here still considers themselves a friend of Leland's - if he was such a bad apple and the guild so unified against this sort of thing, how would that be possible?

I am this friend you speak of yes? Do not let that get in the way of the message here. What Leland did was wrong. Flat out wrong. And this coming from his friend.
On that fact no one will come to his aid on these instances . Friend or no friend its unacceptable. Leland is a grown man and knows that friendship would never interfere with my own "leading" judgement. This guild means a ton to me, and that comes first. I will always think of the 80+ not the 1. That is why I moved "up in the ranks" to begin with.

To whom ever else posting on this bullshit,

Subtle did in fact say in /gu that Leland had over 188+. At that point, Leland should have stated he had the hammer. Flat out.
Its not up for public debate about if those are an upgrade. I frankly dont give a shit. 3 Items in this game, 2 smithing and 1 tailoring, that have modifiers WILL NEVER go to just anyone that can just cawu. Every single guild in the elemental level attempting the earrring quest can tell you how invaluable these become. So debate all you want about upgrades, while the tradeskillers come rip you a new ass.

he won the gloves and was never told,You meeting the smithing restrictions may loot"

Lol are you kidding me? This was our 10th trip to VT ,how the fuck was this a suprise, Im sure as hell am not going to babysit the rolling channel. You dont honestly think I should throw in convenient reminders every god damn roll?? The tradesill mod rule has been in place since fucking Ssra. Our system does have flaws. We expect selflessness and honesty. Thats why we dont have to remind our rollers who should and shouldnt be in the damn channel in the first place.
And Proof he knew better? Uh are you kidding me he was the coleader of the tradeskills section, Which is the clincher! And has now been said over and over. This is why , accumulated with the past issues, that this one could not be overlooked. I was certainly sad to see it come to his leaving, but I understood why; and agreed it had to be. For both parties. Leader types are scrutinized much harder, period. There can be no questions, no mistrust. Any leader will tell you. Having the faith of your members is what makes a guild. Strong teamwork doesnt exist without it. If this is questioned, on leadership starting from the bottom, it always looks like it runs straight to the top. What do you fucking think it looks like when the tradeskill leader loots the only other mod item for BS in the game? Hello? Any fucking skiller knows thats like a direct hit in the balls, and I dont even have a set. The decision wasnt even made in haste like you guys make it out to be this big leadership hissy fit. We discussed it rationally and it was unanimous. So you can not sit here and blame it all on Saphdia. Unless some how she works this magical, mind altering, brainwashing, bullshit to all 8 of the raidleaders that you guys make her out to be able to do. Leland can PM me, on my thoughts as to why it was fair. But im not about to justify a decision that was no one elses buisness. So enough shit over the god damn gloves.

You guys have no idea how forgiving Saph and subtle have been with a number of people. Let me fucking tell you, if I had total say about who stays and goes.. Id boot anyone the FIRST time they threw a loot-hissy. Your first hint of selfishness, and buh-fucking-bye. Those two have seriously taught me some invaluable parts of leading. I wouldnt have, before saph & sub, dealt with any drama long enough to see the better part of a person. Nor to take the time to find out if they just had a bad day. All you people see is the Saph and subtle who have to come here and constantly defend their actions.
Some of you casting judgement on them, need to stop and rethink. As a guild we've come a long ways. That says something for them all by itself. They have to be doing something right? Unless, we just so happened to pull vt keys and planar progression flags out of a lucky charms cereal box.

myrlena devilicious · Post by **myrlena devilicious** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:36 am

Tiatiah,

Bingo babe! Bingo. Thats all weve been trying to point out. Juujuu explains well the difference between guild and self advancement. Amen brother. And Tia, now you see what we saw , and have the same questions we did. Its hard coming from the inside , trying to relay all this stuff with some form of objectivity.

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:23 am

saphdia wrote:why does araden have to answer you?

I honestly fail to see why we have to prove shit to your ass.

I'm serious..let him into Sojo...I probably can offer 50k for your troubles LOL.

Saphdia

Shortest.Saphdia.Post.Evar.

Mark the Day!

P.s. '/crowpie'

Awea · Post by **Awea** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:18 am

Awea, don't be a fucknut. you'll find a lot of guilds that outfit their raid bots with gear to help the guild progress, because bottom line is if you have a critical part of your support structure in shit for gear

Yes Araden, Watchers did that too, but loot never went to a bot if a main needed it, plain and simple. You know, you always did piss me off when you would go on bragging about how uber l337 your twinks were. Just stfu

Araden · Post by **Araden** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:05 am

Awea, Jealousy sure is ugly huh. It was you complaning about your gear and abyss blah blah blah. I gave you suggestions to try to improve yourself. Not my fault my monks been on brell since it started and has earned his shit, he's not my main but I made him over 4 yrs ago none the less, well before kunark. Sorry that ya were jealous that I actually put some time and effort into him and had better gear than you did. Mebbe if you had spent more time playing the game instead of complaining..... or actually taking the advice of others on stuff to quest / shoot for....

I could say the same I guess, yer complaining got old, I tried to help you out with gear advice and you just got jealous and became a little bitch. how's them apples?

Araden · Post by **Araden** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:08 am

BTW Awea you are a fucknut. Yer comments that watchers did the same thing with their raid bots as us proves it. We don't give bots gear over mains unless the main already has a comparable item under our rules. dumbass.

Awea · Post by **Awea** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:26 am

Yes, I'm a fucknut because your own quote stated that bots needed that hammer as much as a main. Yes.. I see..yes...

Awea · Post by **Awea** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:29 am

And I wasn't even just refering to your monk, but your cleric, and your newtwink_01 that you would just send me tells out of the blue say "OMG OMG! Look what phat lewts I just got fer my twinkzors!"

Fuck yeah I bitched in Abyss. Sucks when you lose rolls to a guy who can't use it and then goes to MQ it with his friend or something else fucked up like that.

Daemonwind · Post by **Daemonwind** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:29 am

Araden-

I already read that post, and happen to agress with juujuu that rolling on a +blacksmithing mod while already having one is bad form. however, I'll point out that even according to logs, he did not go in on the gloves until it went open, hell he didn't go in on it until directly asked.

This whole thing can be summed up in 3 words: Lack of communication.

Is the situation unfortunate? Yes. But there's no clear wrongdoing here.

Daemonwind · Post by **Daemonwind** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:29 am

At least, in regards to the loot.

Araden · Post by **Araden** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:31 am

on some medication awea? where did you get that idea? leland already had a 100/100 item and our rules make you ineligible to rep a 100/100 item with another 100/100 item.

Awea · Post by **Awea** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:34 am

I'll give you that, I was still thinking of the gloves.

Araden · Post by **Araden** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:36 am

My cleric? LoL he's in ToV quality gear, and he got his epic. and a couple things I got from the bazaar, but the last time I talked to you he didnt' have shit.. probably thurg legs was his best item or the rez stick. Who wouldn't be happy to finish off the epic quest? It's been a while since I talked with you, as you posted, sorry if I thought we were friends once and was happy to share if I got something neat, guess some people just are the jealous type though. You coulda told me instead of holding it in for a year and lettin it bottle up inside and then come to rants and tell me stfu blah blah blah.

Like I said, Jealousy is ugly huh.

Awea · Post by **Awea** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:41 am

Jealous of what? I only played one character. Is it wrong for someone to get anoyed why everyone and their grandmother rubs their twinks in your face after you tell them to stuff it?

myrlena devilicious · Post by **myrlena devilicious** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:41 am

Daemon,

The posts of logs up above and on the last series of pages are regarding the hammer not the gloves. You are mistaken, our guildy only gave the timeline for the gloves. Reread and repost , kthx

Flaten · Post by **Flaten** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:51 am

All I have to say is that you guys will be sucking when you enter elementals. Everything that drops will be an upgrade to anyone who can equip it. It seems that doing your own taxes will be a breeze compared to the loot rules you'll have to invent.

On a side note, I'm just trying to increase my post count on a HoF thread. Go Go page 8!

Lelandpain · Post by **Lelandpain** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:53 am

Ok, lets me recap what I said before for people that missed it. The mace was something I got that was default. I waited a long time for MAINS to get there weapons. I was using the smithing hammer as primary gear. I did not take the hammer from a guild main that had less than a 100/100 item. I didn't take it from another main at all. Since some people missed the fact that I recieved this hammer after waiting for all the other mains to get it, I felt this needed to be adressed. So any discussion of the hammer is just stupid. I waited, there was nothing wrong with me getting that hammer since it is much better than the smithing hammer. Its not like I actually rolled against mains for the hammer. I must point out again that I recieved the hammer as default. No roll. No other mains needed it. Default.

As for the gloves, I stated already that I didn't know that the reason I won the gloves was due to my smithing skills. I thought I won them becouse no one else wanted them. The biggest mistake by me was not checking to see if anyone else was in on the roll. Congrats spam came flying across my screen and I knew we needed to move to avoid repops. If it was stated that I won becouse I had smithing skill, I missed it. I was freaking busy. I have my tells go to another window so I was watching that so I can get buffs to everyone that asked for them. I am sorry I was doing my job and not watching the loot. Yes I did see the drop in smithing requirements. I payed more attention to the tells for buffs I was getting than to the other window. Anyone who does VT knows things move fast since it takes a long time to clear. As soon as I seen that others were in on the roll, I felt bad. But I didn't know others were in for it till after I already looted. I put a petition in saying I looted something when I should not have. I also posted on the guild board to say I was sorry for the mixup. I waited till the roll was open before I joined the channel. Like it was posted, this was our 13th (I think) trip to VT. There was no reason to think that the gloves would not be open since we have done the damn place enough. There was not a reason for me to think that there was no one else who needed the gloves.

Yes I knew I was going to be removed from SoH. I knew this becouse I didn't enjoy being treated like a child by Saph and I wasn't scared to let her know this. When Saph finds people that express there feelings, they go away. I had no clue about the other issues that Saph had with me other than me not liking being treated like a child. I posted that I was removed becouse of the gloves. That was the only thing I had a clue about. Thats why I started to post here. I wanted the real answers. I didn't want to accept that after all I did with SoH that I would be removed becouse of a mistake on a stupid pair of gloves.

I can explain exactly why none of the people who think I should not have been removed from SoH has not posted. Fear. Fear of being kicked out like I was. I told them that it would not do them any good to say anything since I was already removed. People have worked too damn hard to get where they are now to be kicked out just before EP. People enjoy the company of thers in the guild. There is NO reason for them to put that in danger when I have been removed already. Saph is a control freak and everyone must be a follower to her or be removed. Thats why people are keeping there mouth shut.

I know what your trying to do Saph. I have seen it many of times. You keep repeating things over and over again in hopes people will start to believe you. Well, its not going to work. I wanted to know why I was removed from SoH and I got the answer I thought it was. I was removed becouse you had it in for me. The gloves was just what you thought was justification for the removal. I know that this mistake was not enough to remove me from the guild. I passed on many of things on many of raids. I have passed on way more things than I have went for. Hell, I have helped alot of people get alot of things on this server. For you to call me a loot whore is just stupid. The only thing that does is make you look even more like a ass.

I do want to say that I do not attack SoH at all. I have shown Saph to be the bitch she is and that is all. I have not or ever will hold anything against the people of SoH. This subject would have never came here if I would have recieved a reply to my PM. This would have been avoided if the "Leadership" of SoH had treated me with respect and told me the reasons beind me being removed. Coming up with the false statement that I am a loot whore is bullshit. After all the stuff that the people of SoH and I have been through, I was removed without even being told why. I was locked out from the member section of the message boards so I could not even read the replys to my post about the gloves. The way the guild "leadership" handled this situation was poor. All it would have took was an aswer to my PM to give me the answers I wanted.

Yes I did retired Lelandpain and all my alts in the goodbye post on the guild board. Looking at the real reasons I was removed from SoH changed my mind on this. I am not going to let Saph run me off becouse she is a controling bitch. I am going to take a small break from EQ, but I will be back.

Araden · Post by **Araden** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:53 am

Heh Awea, there it is. You didn't tell me to stuff it back when you were still playing. Sorry if it bugged you but ya never said anything. Dunno what you'd have against a twink just because you don't play any doesn't mean others won't have fun on theirs, and if it wasn't my monk you were jealous of then why would someone elses happiness bother you? OMG someone is having fun Rawr! Kill Destroy Maim!

You coulda just said something to me back when.

Flaten · Post by **Flaten** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:55 am

Lelandpain apply to Enshadowed. At Enshadowed we know drama!

Partha · Post by **Partha** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:48 am

Subtle did in fact say in /gu that Leland had over 188+. At that point, Leland should have stated he had the hammer. Flat out.
Its not up for public debate about if those are an upgrade. I frankly dont give a shit. 3 Items in this game, 2 smithing and 1 tailoring, that have modifiers WILL NEVER go to just anyone that can just cawu. Every single guild in the elemental level attempting the earrring quest can tell you how invaluable these become. So debate all you want about upgrades, while the tradeskillers come rip you a new ass.

By your own words.....

No one wanted the gloves who had blacksmithing even up to 150. This is proven from the agreement of everyone that no one entered the channel until they came open. So, no, the gloves going to someone who isn't working BSing isn't advancing your guild. It's certainly not advancing the guild as much as getting those gloves to a guildie who you claim is doing half the guild's combines.

As far as him stating he has the hammer, why? Like I said, the officers knew, Saphdia knew, a lot of the members knew (it's implied) that he had a BS mod hammer. Subtle wouldn't know HOW?

What do you fucking think it looks like when the tradeskill leader loots the only other mod item for BS in the game?

Logic. The only way it's not logical is if you can't stand the idea of that person getting it. After all, as you pointed out, he's doing a large number of the guild's combines, as you and others have pointed out, no one was at the point of being helpful (150+ skill).....

It's looking more and more like some members got Magelo envy.

SoH

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