Hey there,
Ahhh, there's the post from Saph I was expecting. I did move on, I sucked it up and kept going. Lelandpain posted what happened to him, and it was so similar to my own situation that I was compelled to post, even if it just shows a pattern of behavior. I never begged for help for alts. I asked for help with the Earring, and had I been told no, instead sure, I would have dropped it. I also asked if a bored chanter could help me out. Thats 2 incidents, that I have been completly honest about. Do those constitute me "begging for help"? Maybe you're right, but noone said anything to me about it untill Araden mentioned it.
No, I didnt lie. Subtle would not talk to me to explain why I had been booted. The PM you sent was before I had my access removed and my characters deguilded.
This was the reply I got to my PM asking why the fear post got deleted.
Well to be honest, I deleted it. I think it is really tacky to be looking for help when you basically ditched the guild and do not contribute in anyway. As far as I am concerned, you either want to be part of the guild or not. If the answer is no, then maybe you should move on. If you want to be part of the guild, you need to show it. I realize you want to help your girlfriend level and all, but I it is not fair to ask people to help you when you never help them.
Subtle
This was my reply.
Ok,
I can see your reasoning there. Though I disagree on some points. Yes, I want to be part of the guild. I'v always been in Sphere, if you count Order of Wisdom, which was mostly us, it was my first guild. Its my home. Yes, I took a break, and I'm leveling up my Enchanter. I'm having fun and spending time with my GF and helping her level up. Since Bags stopped raiding, I have asked for help with one thing. And that was to see if a Guild Enchanter could possibly help with Fear tonight if they were not busy. I dont see a problem with asking my guild for help, I didnt guilt anyone into it, simply a request for someone that was bored. I also made it very clear that I didnt expect anything and that I know the raiding schedule was tight, and that people should not worry if they could not help. As for not helping them, I dont see how you could possibly say that. Untill my recent break, I'v helped this guild from raiding Unrest to Ssra Temple. I would rarly miss a raid, you know that. I'v helped on countless people's Quest, Epics, Items, you name it. Thats nothing special though, because everyone does that. I dont think the last 3 years of helping Sphere means that anyone owes me anything, but I do however, take offence to being told that I never helped them.
Just because I havnt raided for a couple of months, its tacky for me to ask my fellow guildmates for assistance on an Epic mob? I guess we just disagree on this one, so I'll refrain from posting any more request for help untill I'm an active raider again.
We both know that leadership and I have had our disuptes, but I also think you know that I always did what I thought was best for the guild. I may be vocal about my opinion, but its only because I care. I'v done my best to stay out of your and Saph's hair. Maby I'v kept myself too far away from things, if my place in the guild is being questioned. I'll be raiding again when Emily gets up in level, if I'm welcome, all I'm asking is for a little patience with me untill I get back into things.
Then I got this.
Techincally you havent been really around for at least 6 months, (We killed emp in july, and you were not around for a few months before that). Guilds go through alot of changes, we have advanced quite a bit since then. This is not a question of the past, it is a question of the future. Do you realize, there is quite a few ppl in the guild that have no idea who you even are?
Lets look at another example, Sassas wanted to come back. He had done alot for the guild before he left.. but he left on very wierd circumstances and when he came back there was no resolution and he showed rather quickly his ability to cause trouble, rather than be happy.
Anyways the point I am making is you have not been around the guild for at least 6 months. The few times you have been around, you acted like an ass to saph and then nicey nice to me. I am pretty sick of it. One of the biggest things that detract from a close guild atmosphere, are the ppl that you never see unless they are asking for something. Most people in the guild see that very thing from you. It isnt about how you were a year ago, it is about how yuo are now. I can guarantee you, if I changed how I ran the guild in any tiny way, people ignore all the good I have done and bitch at me for that one decision. It is just a fact of life. There are some things people do that are just unforgivable. I tried to give you a chance to apologize to saph, but I dont think you ever gave her a sinciere apology.. ever.
Now, there also comes a point in a guild's advancement where people come to resent people that skipped out all the work that went into it all, just to reap the benefits. Many people put in countless hours to get to VT, they will put in countless more to get to Elementals, and it sucks to see someone jump on the bandwagon and reap the benefits.
You may think I am being a hardass here, but I really think you would be better off with your girlfriend's guild atm. I just dont see the point in staying in a guild you rarely interact with. I can see the resentment growing from people from it as well. There is no point in a guild if you do not take part in it. So therefore I think it would be better for everyone if you just left SOH, and played with people you have fun playing with.
Subtle
My reply was short.
Ok, little shocked....... I'll think about it and get back to you.
He didnt tell me I was being deguilded, he asked a long standing member to leave. I told him I would think about it. It was very hard on me, as Sphere had always been my home, but I actually was going to deguild and leave anyway since he did have a point, the guild had changed, I didnt know a lot of the new members, the old Sphere that I knew and loved had died. What pisses me off is that I was never given the chance. They just dumped me, and cited that they thought it would be better. After he deguilded me, he wouldnt explain why. I was just ignored.
Saphdia
You were busy raiding with your other guild - legions of the chosen
Thats strange. "Raiding with" infers that I did a lot of it. They decided that they would help me in Fear (as well as get some items for thier guild) and I decided to go on that. I grouped with thier members some, but that was in pickup groups for leveling, and obviousally I'm gonna be wherever the GF is. Also, I invited Sphere members to my groups whenever one was looking. It didnt happen often though because they were very busy and much higher level, but I grouped with alts here and there when they were looking for a place to group.
Let's not discuss the fact that we caught an alt of yours guilded with an ex leader of soh
That was someone else, not me. If I need to name a name and jog your memory, thats fine. I'll send you a PM, I dont want to drag her into this.
LOL then where did your loyalties lay? Not with me LOL.
You're damn right my loyalties are not with you, and its a big reason I got deguilded, in my opinion at least. I loved Sphere, I did all I could for that guild. You know what I think of you, as I know what you think of me. Neither of us hid it much. If Subtle or Faol (back when she was co-leader) asked me to do something, I did it.
There was also the time that you kept going on and on about how you were going to retire yet you rolled on the tormax boots. Those were the only tormax boots that the guild had seen and we were I believe starting ST at that time. I think it was what, 2 days later you retired? That is when you stopped doing all sorts of stuff with the guild. Say what you want but others are the ones who remembered that one for me.
It probably was when we were starting ST. I spent weeks on faction and I finally got it and got the boots. I didnt hide the fact that I got them, people knew, was I supposed to make a post saying I completed the task? Also, it was around Ssra and emperor that I took my break. I helped the guild through ST, I was at almost every ST raid. I have the FT1 shield from there that I can link if you dont believe me. I had those boots well before I retired. At least a month, if not more, I dont remember exactly, it was long ago.
One's natural reaction to myrlena if they heard such a thing about the boot discrepancy is that you would have either confronted her or you would have posted that you got your boots done..
Couldnt Myrlena ask me what happened to the boots instead of going behind my back and bitching about it? Or is there another double standard?
Yes, the boots can be turned in for other items. I won them, and completed the quest before I thought I was going to retire. Moot Point. Most of the other healers had FT3 boots that the guild bought them. I never got this luxary, though I never bitched about it either, just something I notice looking back. (FT3 boots were handed out before I got my boots, FYI) I just took it in stride though, I dont care about loot.
No one ever told you that real life shouldn't go over eq..however, you were online a ton of times when your g/f was not...and you never helped on hardly any of the camps or when we needed a druid.
I dont remember anyone saying anything about needing a Druid or more healers in guildchat, nor did I ever get any tells. If I had, I would have gone and helped out. Ohhh, and actually, I was rarly, if ever on, if she was not.
You skipped out on SOME raids? We are talking 8 or so MONTHS on end. There comes time when you've skipped out on too much. Things would have been ok probably if your attitude had been a bit better.
I didnt know there was a Raid recquirement when I joined SoH. Has something changed? I never saw it posted. People went on breaks and did this and that all the time. Its a family guild, right? Dont you mean, things would have been ok probably if you didnt have a personal problem with me?
We were never clear wtf you were doing. All we knew is for almost year you bailed on us and said nothing to most of us about it. This still doesn't change anything. You could have raided and helped us with your druid as we needed it many times on raids
You never asked wtf I was doing. And you never let me know you needed a druid on raids. There were plenty of healers, you seemed fine. If I had known otherwise or been asked, I would have helped, regardless of what I had planned for the night.
Yes I did do the right thing. I think deep down you knew it. If good intentions go a long way with you, i'd never have known it by your treatment to me
You always think you do the right thing. Rightous Saph always knows right, and is never in the wrong. My treatment of you was much, much better than your treatment of others. Just look on this Rants board for that. Ohhh, I'm sorry, I forgot you dont treat that "trash" like human beings.
Leland is right when he says that there are plenty of people in Sphere who cant stand Saph, but sadly you have to put up with her, she isn't going anywhere.
This is a lie. Nice try baggins but over half the guild has no idea who you are lol. Yes, you are THAT far behind. You are so far behind that you do not even realize this transformation happened.
Sure, a lot of the people I knew and loved have either retired, or have been booted. Its not a lie, and how would you know either way.
