red sox or yankees???

EQLizard · Post by **EQLizard** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:04 pm

i cant find an appropriate ATHF quote to describe how little i care about this baseball grabbassery. i cant wait for 10 years from now when it goes the way of hockey..

Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:35 pm

I don't know how many closers are in the hall of fame - I don't keep track. But knocking on Rivera because of what announcers and media have to say screams the same bias you are hating on.

He is one of, if not the most dominate closers ever to play. Wether he makes the hall or not, acting like he is no good just because he plays for the Yanks is dumb.

Flaten · Post by **Flaten** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 4:37 pm

I went on the HoF website and of all the pitchers I only see 2 that were considered closers: Rollie Fingers and Dennis Eckersley. Ok so then I was bored and went and looked at all-time save leaders. Eck is #4 with 390 and Fingers is #7 with 341. Currently Hoffman is #3 with 393 and Riveria is #8 336. Out of the 10 ten all-time leaders in saves Hoffman and Riveria have the 2 lowest era. That's why I believe those 2 will be the next closers elected to the HoF unless Lee Smith gets in because he's got some nice stats in addition to being the #1 career saves leader.

BTW Red Sox 8 Yankees 1

Props to the Yankees for standing and clapping during the ceremony though, wonder where George was?

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:47 pm

Barrin wrote:I don't know how many closers are in the hall of fame - I don't keep track. But knocking on Rivera because of what announcers and media have to say screams the same bias you are hating on.

He is one of, if not the most dominate closers ever to play. Wether he makes the hall or not, acting like he is no good just because he plays for the Yanks is dumb.

My point is that closers dont get into the Hall of Fame very often. I would not classify Mariano Rivera as more deserving nor more or less dominant then Troy Percival, Trevor Hoffman, or Lee Smith who is the all time saves leader, but NONE of those guys gets the kind of automatic credibility that Rivera does. Are they less deserving? Aren't they as dominant?

Oh and don't even begin to tell me there isn't a Yankee / Bosox bias in most of the "experts" view, because there is. I realize that the Yankees are the best franchise in all of major league baseball history because of their great history, but there are a lot of clubs out there who are just as good if not better then the present day Yankees, and dont get any play. That kind of thing bothers me to no end. So when I hear Rivera and HOF always mentioned, but don't hear the same thing of other deserving stars, I get a little bitchy.

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:41 pm

Well sonofabitch. After 1 week of baseball, the Bosox and the Yankees are tied.

FOR DEAD LAST in the AL East. Go Blue Jays!

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:00 pm

ZanypherCocoapuffs wrote:-= Zanypher Cocoapuffs =-
My Sig > yours.

Negative.

Post by **Ddrak** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:57 pm

So... Blue Jays for '05 World Series?

-=Xilanthanax=- · Post by **-=Xilanthanax=-** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:03 pm

-= Zanypher Cocoapuffs =-

....

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:38 am

Ddrak wrote:So... Blue Jays for '05 World Series?

Seen weirder shit happen.

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:39 am

-=Xilanthanax=- wrote:
-= Zanypher Cocoapuffs =-
....

Oh all right you big baby.

Changed.

gineeva · Post by **gineeva** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:00 pm

86 things to hate about the Red Sox

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:50 pm

Whaaazzzz

Post by **Ddrak** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:57 pm

You know, throwing a pitch has to be about the hardest public appearance a President makes.

Dd

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:05 pm

It's certainly the hardest thing Bronson Arroyo's ever had to do. OH!

How about them Boston Fans?

Massterrloo · Post by **Massterrloo** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 6:15 am

The answer is plexiglass walls between the atheletes and the fans, like in hockey.......or a dead area....2 walls where either has to jump over to get to each other. But thats seating no team owner will leave unused.

If anyone wanted to hurt, or kill a player in baseball, or basketball, it would be very easy to do.

Mastrloo
70 Monk - 60 Mage
Alarius - Spiritslammers

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:27 am

Massterrloo wrote:The answer is plexiglass walls between the atheletes and the fans, like in hockey.......or a dead area....2 walls where either has to jump over to get to each other.

Negative. I enjoy dumping beers on opposing outfielders at Wrigley.

rajavengerGIA · Post by **rajavengerGIA** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:31 am

nah i like watching tha yankees not behindbars

ZanypherCocoapuffs · Post by **ZanypherCocoapuffs** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:43 pm

It takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. Iroincally, these bad apples happen to be on either coast. Boston Fans, Yankee Fans, and Oakland Fans.

Note, I didn't say "A's" fans. They don't exist.

Massterrloo · Post by **Massterrloo** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 12:37 am

Are you forgetting the yearly "run onto the feield and attack a coach, or umpire" event in Kanas city?

Some times you get your drunken son to run out with you.

Mastrloo
70 Monk - 60 Mage
Alarius - Spiritslammers

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:30 am

Massterrloo wrote:Some times you get your drunken son to run out with you.

William Ligue Jr. what?