Reality

[Partha]

This can only be attributed to our own destructive and fearful nature. However, It's my belief that people are becoming better - period. With every generation that is produced, they are equipped with traits that more suitably meet the needs of an advanced species. I find that the most ignorant, closed minded and hateful/fearful people I run into are those who are a deal older than myself. It may not be solid evidence, it's just my own observation.

I feel like we've come a long ways in a very short amount of time. Racism will be around for a long time, but I don't think it'll be as socially endoctrinated as these baby-boomer-and-under generations die off.

Well said and uplifting. It makes me sad when people my age feel we are worse than we've ever been as a species.

That's because people your age are too young to know better. What's really sad is people my age who SHOULD know better who don't.

[Kulaf]

What I think I'm getting from you, Jaro, and maybe the others, is that you're objecting to this idea you have that these jokes are an agenda and that they are the sole/major cause of oppression, etc. What I'm also getting from you is that you don't actually exactly know how these jokes contribute to oppression. It's fine if you object with the concept, but what I'm getting is you haven't read up on this subject fully since you aren't making an argument against specifically why it contributes; I'm just seeing an argument against the general idea you seem to have about it. I do think you need to do a lot of reading on the subject to address it properly. And if then you still object, that's fine - at least you actually know what it is and can make a specific counter argument.

Wow.....that has to be one of the most arogant, condecending posts you have ever written. Seriously I know you are in school and think you know everything, and I am sure that one ethinic diversity class you had to take has suddenly made you an authority on oppression of ethnic minorities but you need to gain some persepctive. You just cannot seem to grasp that jokes can be just for humor sake and not at all contribute to the oppression of minorities.

[Harlowe]

For the past couple pages, I can't help but hear....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA

[Taxious]

For the past couple pages, I can't help but hear....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA

OMG they are joking about racism!! I can't believe they let that racist bigoted trash on Broadway!!!! More like "Avenue KKK"!!!

[Select]

You just cannot seem to grasp that jokes can be just for humor sake and not at all contribute to the oppression of minorities

You missed the point of that paragraph.

If you know your stuff, prove it. Tell me exactly what the beliefs are since you're well-informed on the subject and stand so firm in your objection. You should know why already. Tell me exactly how it contributes and exactly why you object to those examples. You're just saying, "No, it doesn't." without any sort of why.

and I am sure that one ethinic diversity class you had to take

XD Not quite. I wish. And it's ethnic.

Harlowe, that was a good play. Saw it in Broadway.

[Kulaf]

If you know your stuff, prove it. Tell me exactly what the beliefs are since you're well-informed on the subject and stand so firm in your objection. You should know why already. Tell me exactly how it contributes and exactly why you object to those examples. You're just saying, "No, it doesn't." without any sort of why.

This highlights your problem and why you issued your broad statement in the first place. To you this is a one way or the other arguement. It's not. It is totally situational. If you cannot see the logic of that then you might was well advocate for the outlawing of humor, and add standup comedians to the FBI's most wanted list.

[Select]

Hello, way left field. The n-word isn't illegal, but most decent non-blacks know damn well not to say it and why.

I'll play your game. Pick an example where advocates have said why and how it contributes and post why you think their reasons are flawed. I mean, you're well informed on why this belief system is incorrect so it shouldn't be hard to pull a reasonable example out.

It isn't black and white, you're right. It's all shades of gray that contribute. Darker grays may be outright denying a job or education based on skin color. A lighter shade may be making a joke that helps perpetuate a culture that keeps them from being truly equal.

[Kulaf]

Sorry but this brought back a memory of an old All in the Family episode:



Cue Select as Mike Stivic at 1:50.

[Select]

Cute video, Kulaf. I'm waiting on your answer.

[Saevrok]

Finnaly got some interesting discussion, even if it just about racial issues again. Amazing how simple it is to get a debate going by painting a big ass bullseye on your back.

[Select]

Yeah, you reeeeeally accomplished something deep here. Go tell your army buddies you now have a way to back up your special snowflake bragging.

[Saevrok]

Tell you what child, better to deal with the troubles you made for yourself in this thread rather than go looking for more. Me and my army buddies, we dont need to brag about shit, we're the top 1% statisticly speaking, you can rag on me all day but you even try to pick a fight with my brothers and I will make your life as miserable as is possible over the internet. I meant what I said about doing anything for them, some places you just shouldnt step. Civilians are typicaly too stupid to realize that, so I'll let it slide this time.

[Lurker]

Pagana? Is that you?

[Select]

Ohh, big man on campus (he'll never see)!

I have the right to criticize and make fun of the military (not an oppressed minority). Which as a whole, I don't think is always right, so in this post I'll stick to criticizing individual members who prove themselves to be nothing more than lying pieces of hypocritical shit. Like yourself, good sir!

Based on your political comments, you seem to hate it all and don't want to bother. Which leads me to believe you don't pay much attention because you don't see the point of shaping things - It's all the same to you. If you don't want to exercise your right and ability to shape the government you choose to serve, then you're just a pawn. I have more respect for military members who choose to serve and influence the entity they serve. Whether their influence pays off or not, I respect the effort to try.

And so you don't get into a hissy fit, a uniform should not automatically equal respect. Actions, words, and ability should.

Damn, just when I thought I couldn't find you any less respectable. Prove me wrong again, sir!

[Mukik]

Who the hell is truely oppressed ?

[Harlowe]

you even try to pick a fight with my brothers and I will make your life as miserable as is possible over the internet. I meant what I said about doing anything for them, some places you just shouldnt step.

A. It's a total pussy move that you'd threaten some girl over the internet
B. You're in the service and threatening someone over the internet? They don't take kindly to their people doing that.

[Kulaf]

Cute video, Kulaf. I'm waiting on your answer.

You never asked a question. You asked me to indulge your attempt to broaden the issue and I choose to remain focused on your overreaching statement that "it takes an inherent racist/sexist belief to "joke" about specific groups."

[Select]

I explained why it takes that belief, but broadly. I purposely avoided narrowing it and giving the exact examples of why and how - just a general synopsis. You can't touch the details, can you? I'm making my point that you haven't done your reading and can't make an argument to debunk specifically why/how. You can't identify the details because you really don't know how these factors work on the social scale. And I haven't even heard at least a "Yes, I do." from you.

[Jarochai Alabaster]

I purposely avoided narrowing it and giving the exact examples of why and how - just a general synopsis. You can't touch the details, can you? I'm making my point that you haven't done your reading and can't make an argument to debunk specifically why/how

Good grief woman. How can we dispute what you have not presented? Make your case or shut the fuck up.

[Kulaf]

I explained why it takes that belief, but broadly. I purposely avoided narrowing it and giving the exact examples of why and how - just a general synopsis. You can't touch the details, can you? I'm making my point that you haven't done your reading and can't make an argument to debunk specifically why/how. You can't identify the details because you really don't know how these factors work on the social scale. And I haven't even heard at least a "Yes, I do." from you.

And I continue to say that it doesn't take that belief. You are asking me to indulge your fantasy of "how" and "why" when I simply do not agree with the ENTIRE premiss. Unless of course you think every standup that jokes about race is a racist.