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Ddrak wrote:That's actually the evolutionary explanation for the higher order mammals being born while not self-sufficient. In order to maintain the head/brain size without causing fatal problems for the mother, the baby has to be born earlier in the life-cycle and so requires post-natal care. The larger the brain size, the more infant care is required.

This leads into theories about evolutionary development of communal behavior and non-selfish attitudes.

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Not necessarily Dd. Some marsupials are born the size of small tadpoles, and migrate to a pouch outside the womb for further development. You can't make that generalization. The koala is 1/2 a gram (the size of a small insect) at birth. You're looking at gestation and birth bass-ackwards I think.

Gestation and birth (and the ability of the mother to deliver) are driven by responses to environmental factors, and have little to do with optimal brain/head size. "Optimal" is a relativistic term, and there is no standard, as is implied by your response.

Look at mass ratios between a wide array of mammals and marsupials, and their progeny (hell... ever look at what a chicken produces?), and you'll see my point.
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Select wrote:Yea, if we did pass babies when they could crawl/walk, the head size would break the momma. :shock:
Hell, they can stay in there until they're 18. Cut 'em out and make them get a job.
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Select wrote:Yea, if we did pass babies when they could crawl/walk, the head size would break the momma. :shock:
Hell, they can stay in there until they're 18. Cut 'em out and make them get a job.
You're a sick sick woman ! I'd much rather deal with my 5 year old then have the girls come out 18 HAHA

now remember that incision they made for baby Allu ? Remember the belly, and the backaches and all that fun 3rd trimester stuff ? multiply that ! lol
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Alluveal wrote:
Select wrote:Yea, if we did pass babies when they could crawl/walk, the head size would break the momma. :shock:
Hell, they can stay in there until they're 18. Cut 'em out and make them get a job.

heh you'd pop like a zit =P
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Not necessarily Dd. Some marsupials are born the size of small tadpoles, and migrate to a pouch outside the womb for further development. You can't make that generalization. The koala is 1/2 a gram (the size of a small insect) at birth. You're looking at gestation and birth bass-ackwards I think.
Marsupial's don't require "care" in the sense that the mother is nothing more than a giant feeding tube. Humans have to "care" for their young in the sense that they have to actively watch over another life form in order to ensure it's survival. Dd's point does seem a little over-generalizing, though.

I was always taught that human problems with birth are more directly linked to our upright posture rather than to our large brain size. The female hip system is actually this weird in-between stage that can't quite stand up perfectly and can't quite give birth perfectly, either. Plenty of other animals have large brain/hip ratios, but because of the way the hips are designed to bear weight they are allowed to be wider. It's part of the idea that humans are (more or less) an actively evolving lineage. The human race as we know it today is not some evolutionary perfection, but rather just another step in the species chain. Given another few hundred thousand years, a "more perfect" line of Homo would have outcompeted and eliminated homo sapiens, much like we probably eliminated our sister species before us. Another example is wisdom teeth - most human lineages are actively evolving a smaller set of adult teeth (there was an evolutionary reason but it escapes me at the moment) by crowding out a tooth from each row. That's why they're such pains in the asses - our evolutionary line is in the process of getting rid of them.

Course the last course on humans I took was gen bio. *shrug*

EDIT: I also saw a few mentions of people trying to compare souls in humans with the souls in "lower life forms". Don't ever forget that from a biological sense primates are awfully low on the evolutionary totem-pole - rodents, insects, orchids, and grasses are far more derived and ecologically successful than you will ever be. My take on it is this: the "soul" is our feeble explanation at an incredibly complex biological system going on inside our heads. Kind of like how old chemists figured "ether" was a good explanation for basic chemical processes. Unfortunately, most of history's most brilliant minds have been busy studying black holes and inventing ED medicines and shit like that.
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The female hip system is actually this weird in-between stage that can't quite stand up perfectly
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The female hip system is actually this weird in-between stage that can't quite stand up perfectly
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Most womens hips spread around the time of child birth due to hormones making the bones more pliant to easily allow the birth of the baby. Some of the really stick women you see will easily give birth to a 9 lbs baby while some women with wider hips will have trouble with a 7 lbs baby. it's evolutionary yes, but no it's not perfect yet
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Ari, what does that have to do with what I was questioning? What you told me is the "no shit" stuff that most girls should have heard from their mothers.

What I was questioning was the "can't stand up perfectly" part. Again, what?
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I hated that hip spreading stuff. I remember being 39 weeks and going through one hell of a nesting phase. I knew every single employee at our local Home Depot by the time I was done. I was walking through Home Depot and my hips started to slip, and I had to sit down on one of their cushy lawnchairs for 15 minutes because I couldn't stand up or walk. My hip joints kept slipping. It was the weirdest friggin' feeling. And I was F*ing huge. Lemme see if I can find a picture....

Oh! here's one, and you can see my kitty, too (Dirty MINDS!)

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I gained about 45 lb, but lost almost all of it in the first month (yay for boobie-feeding.) She was slightly under 10lb. My husband was 12lb when he was born, so I know who's to blame. I thank God for the c-section, actually. Took 20 minutes and poof! baby! Baby without a conehead.

And yeah, 3rd trimester . . . not the best time. I ate so much, but burnt all those calories off by redecorating and reorganizing. I was also in class up to week 40. I think I only spent the last 2 days before she finally decided to come out, laying around a lot. I had one asskicking baby's room, though. It was so well-organized and nicely done. I also had a zillion meals prepared and frozen and stuff. My husband couldn't keep up. I always thought the nesting phase was pure baloney until I was dead in the middle of it. It was like a drug. "What else can I organize?" And Home Depot was my fixer.

I will say that I do find myself missing the pregnancy. I miss the kicking inside and movement, etc. It was so badass cool. Now, she's out, running around and getting into every friggin' thing under the sun. I'm utterly amazed at the destruction she can create.

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I can imagine meeting Allu IRL -

Her kid comes out wearing a black robe with the Gom Jabbar in hand.

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Oh, the little one is all about the sacred water. She'll grow up and not look like Sean Young, though....
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lmao....

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Peeps: Kewl... Harkonnens sux0r the pie.

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Peeps: WOOOO!!

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A soul? Its whats for breakfast.
Energy is neither created or destroyed, so it is fairly safe to assume the particles that make up your body will exist forever. We are all eternal.
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