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For those that missed it.

Transcript: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/06 ... _with.html

Video: http://www.shallownation.com/2010/06/15 ... l-6-15-10/

Well, I think he blew it. It was patronizing, over-reaching, full of rhetoric, short of substance, outright lied about Salazar's efforts in MMS to clean it up, made statements about forcing BP to have a third party administrate claims (BP doesn't have to do shit in that regard, and Obama can't "force" BP to do anything)

Some low points of the speech...
Because of our efforts, millions of gallons of oil have already been removed from the water through burning, skimming,
This was in the context of the government response. BUllshit. Its the results of BPs efforts, not the Feds. (Don't take this as an approval of BPs response, which has been woefully inadeqaute and well below what their response plans indicated they could handle, but for Obama to lay claim to the recovery is an outright falsehood. PLease name me the US Coast Guard or Navy ship that is buring the oil. Or even skimming, for that matter)
We have approved the construction of new barrier islands in Louisiana to try and stop the oil before it reaches the shore, and we are working with Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida to implement creative approaches to their unique coastlines.
Yes, thank you Obama for the administrative stamp of approval. How about mobilzing assets that will actually build the barrier islands? How about actually laying boom? Answer: He can't, because the US government isn't prepared to do ti, they don't have the resources, and he'd be well to admit it.
But we have to recognize that despite our best efforts, oil has already caused damage to our coastline and its wildlife. And sadly, no matter how effective our response becomes, there will be more oil and more damage before this siege is done.
Well.. there's a shocker no one saw coming. The oil has already caused damage... what a revelation.
Tomorrow, I will meet with the chairman of BP and inform him that he is to set aside whatever resources are required to compensate the workers and business owners who have been harmed as a result of his company's recklessness. And this fund will not be controlled by BP. In order to ensure that all legitimate claims are paid out in a fair and timely manner, the account must and will be administered by an independent, third party.
Short of nationalizing BP, he can't do this. The US can sue BP, maybe even revoke leases. But ordering BP to do something not required by law is a Hugo Chavez tactic. This is blatant pandering.
Already, I have issued a six-month moratorium on deepwater drilling. I know this creates difficulty for the people who work on these rigs, but for the sake of their safety, and for the sake of the entire region, we need to know the facts before we allow deepwater drilling to continue
One of the few honest statements in his speech.
When Ken Salazar became my Secretary of the Interior, one of his very first acts was to clean up the worst of the corruption at this agency
YOU LIE! Seriously, there's plenty of info out there about how little Salazar did to reform MMS. Obama should fire him, find another person and move on. By making statements like this he's tied himself to Salazar's incompentency.
One of the lessons we've learned from this spill is that we need better regulations better safety standards, and better enforcement when it comes to offshore drilling
Uhhh... you mean the enforcement of regulations Salazar was responsible for????
We consume more than 20% of the world's oil, but have less than 2% of the world's oil reserves. And that's part of the reason oil companies are drilling a mile beneath the surface of the ocean - because we're running out of places to drill on land and in shallow water.
Another true statement.

[quoteCountries like China are investing in clean energy jobs and industries that should be here in America][/quote] Really? Is this the same China that had so much pollution that the Olympics were in jeopardy? If it weren't so tragic, this would be laughable. Making a statement that infers China is a leader in clean energy is just... beyond the pale.
As we speak, old factories are reopening to produce wind turbines, people are going back to work installing energy-efficient windows, and small businesses are making solar panels. Consumers are buying more efficient cars and trucks, and families are making their homes more energy-efficient. Scientists and researchers are discovering clean energy technologies that will someday lead to entire new industries.
Ok, so that covers about 0.000001% of our energy revamp. Is his plan really all about buying a Prius and changing out windows? For gods sake, couldn't he have come up with something better and more substantial than a window retro-fit?
As we recover from this recession, the transition to clean energy has the potential to grow our economy and create millions of good, middle-class jobs
He said millions of MIDDLE CLASS JOBS... note that for future reference. Pipedream.
And some believe we can't afford those costs right now. I say we can't afford not to change how we produce and use energy - because the long-term costs to our economy, our national security, and our environment are far greater.
He gets this one right.
our determination to fight for the America we want for our children. Even if we're unsure exactly what that looks like. Even if we don't yet know precisely how to get there. We know we'll get there.
Because I have a plan, even though I haven't developed it yet.
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Embar wrote:I think he blew it.
Well knock me over with a feather.
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Tomorrow, I will meet with the chairman of BP and inform him that he is to set aside whatever resources are required to compensate the workers and business owners who have been harmed as a result of his company's recklessness. And this fund will not be controlled by BP. In order to ensure that all legitimate claims are paid out in a fair and timely manner, the account must and will be administered by an independent, third party.
I have no idea who wrote this speech for the President but this certainly doesn't sound like him. This sounds like "shoot from the hip" heavy handed American rhetoric. I know of no law that could enforce anything like what he is saying his is going to do. He can certainly ask......but this is the wrong way to start off that process.

Now if the President wants to somehow absolve BP of all financial liability in exchange for setting up this fund, BP might jump at the chance. But there is no way in hell they are going to set asside this kind of money in addition to facing all of the various lawsuits they are going to already face.
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Kulaf wrote:He can certainly ask......but this is the wrong way to start off that process.
It isn't how they started off that process. This speech wasn't the first time BP heard about a fund managed by a third party. Of course, the same crowd of whiners who were demanding Obama take control will now accuse him of Hugo Chavez style overreach. *see every post by Embar for examples*

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Embar wrote:[Obama] lied about Salazar's efforts in MMS to clean it up
Salazar did take steps to clean up the "worst of the corruption" at MMS. There are no recent examples of sex and drug parties or industry filling out their own inspection reports. The more intractable problems will take longer to address and they need to move faster, as Obama said. So he didn't lie. You were wrong.
Embar wrote:This was in the context of the government response. BUllshit. Its the results of BPs efforts, not the Feds. (Don't take this as an approval of BPs response, which has been woefully inadeqaute and well below what their response plans indicated they could handle, but for Obama to lay claim to the recovery is an outright falsehood. PLease name me the US Coast Guard or Navy ship that is buring the oil. Or even skimming, for that matter)
Here's an article from the Navy detailing their early response to the spill. And the official Navy website with more details and pictures of skimming equipment. So you were wrong again.

Anyone want to guess what happens next? Does Embar admit that he was wrong and reflect on why he comes across so often as an ignorant partisan who will complain no matter what is said and done? Or does he ignore the facts and accuse me of resorting to an ad hom and ignoring his point? Hmmmm.
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That the best you have Lurker?

So Salazar fired a couple of people, referred a couple for prosecution.. then washed his hands of thematter while completely disregarding the systemic problems in the MMS. GO GO TEAM OBAMA!!!!

And really... the Navy's response was substantive? Is that what you're trying to infer?

C'mon Lurker.

OK. lets play it your way. The Obama admin has been a substantive force on mitigating the effects of the spill, is that what you're getting at? Answer me that. I dare you.
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Embar,
Take a deep breath. Reflect.

You were wrong. Just admit it. Salazar did end the worst abuses that were occurring under the Bush Administration. There's no way you could have read that Rolling Stone article in the few minutes since I posted it, so you are once again responding with pure ignorance. There's much more work to be done, but the worst corruption has been ended. Admit you were wrong. It'll feel good.

As for the Navy and Coast Guard, you said they didn't have a single boat and played no role in the cleanup whatsoever. That's completely untrue. Both have plaid a major role (not the main role, true... but a major one) in the clean up efforts. Admit you were wrong.

While you are at it, you can admit that no matter what Obama says or does, you'll rush here to say he failed. If he gives an interview you'll say he should drag the media around the gulf region. If he does that you'll accuse him of being all talk and no action. If he takes action you'll accuse him of being a dictator. Look at yourself. You are complaining that he wants to have BP set up an independent fund to protect tax payers and make the process of paying claims more transparent. And if he didn't ask for a fund you'd complain about that.
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That is true. Embar rushes here to post about Obama failing no matter what he says and no matter what move he makes. It's too little, it's too much. Where Obama is concerned he's more reliable than Old Faithful.
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Now if the President wants to somehow absolve BP of all financial liability in exchange for setting up this fund, BP might jump at the chance. But there is no way in hell they are going to set asside this kind of money in addition to facing all of the various lawsuits they are going to already face.
It goes further than that. Killing BP is a really, really stupid economic idea. How many people does BP employ in the US? What would happen to the price of oil if BP decides to scale back production? How much more will insurance cost for other companies now given this result? What ability does the US government even have to dictate that sort of terms to a non-US company? Sorry, but it's completely stupid.

*If* Obama is offering BP a "get-out-of-jail-free" card for the fund then maybe things will work out, but otherwise BP's only responsible attitude in terms of their financial responsibility to shareholders is to tell Obama to go screw himself and call the bluff.

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By the way, I felt the speech was probably one of his worst. It felt like lip-service with no substance and it always feels incredibly condescending when politicians do that. As if we aren't bright enough to see right through it. At least he's coherent and intelligent, but that doesn't really make up for saying nothing. Jon Stewart was hilarious as always...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/1 ... 13937.html
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What exactly were you wanting to hear?
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Harlowe wrote:That is true. Embar rushes here to post about Obama failing no matter what he says and no matter what move he makes. It's too little, it's too much. Where Obama is concerned he's more reliable than Old Faithful.
Odd you'd say that even though I pointed out some statements in his speech where he got it right. Also odd you'd make that statement even though you essentially agree with me on Obama blowing it on the speech.

@Lurker... I think this pretty much sums it up.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38595.html

Edit: And if Olberman and Matthews had issues with the speech, you know Obama has failed.
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Any chance you'll admit you were wrong about some basic facts in your original post?
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Lurker wrote:What exactly were you wanting to hear?
Honestly I expected him to try to mobilize the entire industry to help. He could use the hammer of some type of proposed cleanup superfund for the oil industry to incentivize others like Exxon to send additional equipment into the region to help with containment.
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Lurker wrote:Any chance you'll admit you were wrong about some basic facts in your original post?

Sure, whatever. You're all about nit-picking and that causes you to lose sight of the bigger picture. It makes you appear less intellegent than you really are when you get bogged down in minor crap like that. Now... about the speech and Obama. You asked Harlowe what she wanted to hear in the speech. She can answer for herself, but I wanted details on what he's going to do, how he's going to do it. And that's the common complaint from even the left (with some whining about no mention of cap-and-trade). In short, his speech was overblown on rhetoric, but short on details. And he's almost 2 months to form some kind of plan. Two months! After all this time, this is all he has? Talk about standing together and references to the moon shot and WW2?

POlitical commentators from all over the spectrum are saying the same thing... where's the details?
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Kulaf wrote:
Lurker wrote:What exactly were you wanting to hear?
Honestly I expected him to try to mobilize the entire industry to help. He could use the hammer of some type of proposed cleanup superfund for the oil industry to incentivize others like Exxon to send additional equipment into the region to help with containment.

A fucking idea! Look at that! And a good one! Yet Obama has none. Why? Because he's too busy trying to politicize the disaster. Almost 2 months after spill and all he's got is "BP will pay"... this is not acceptable.
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Kulaf wrote:Honestly I expected him to try to mobilize the entire industry to help. He could use the hammer of some type of proposed cleanup superfund for the oil industry to incentivize others like Exxon to send additional equipment into the region to help with containment.
The entire industry has been mobilized for awhile now, making experts and resources available to assist with this crisis. As for "helping with containment", do you mean at the leak itself or with surface cleanup?
Embar wrote:Sure, whatever. You're all about nit-picking and that causes you to lose sight of the bigger picture.
Hey, thanks for admitting you were wrong. On the topic of me "nit-picking"... half the negatives of your original post were on Salazar and the Navy and you were wrong about both of those. It wasn't "nit-picking" to correct your facts, and if you weren't going to admit you were wrong there was no point in continuing a discussion.
Embar wrote:POlitical commentators from all over the spectrum are saying the same thing... where's the details?
And if he had given more details the same people would be complaining that Obama was boring instead of inspiring. Look at the Roger Simon article you linked. He wants a magical President who can do things ordinary mortals cannot. This isn't adult thinking.

Personally, I thought the speech did give specific actions that they were taking without going into details of those actions. But the speech wasn't the proper place for details because nobody but policy wonks is going to care about the details. For myself, I'm much more concerned with what Obama actually does than what he says in his speech.

As for how the speech played politically, I haven't seen any flash polls on it. In the past the talking heads have been dead wrong on how this stuff plays to the general public. Not that I care. I'm more concerned with getting the leak stopped, the oil cleaned up, getting the agency running the way it should, and making sure BP fully pays for everything they are liable for.
Embar wrote:A fucking idea! Look at that! And a good one! Yet Obama has none. Why? Because he's too busy trying to politicize the disaster. Almost 2 months after spill and all he's got is "BP will pay"... this is not acceptable.
It's always one step forward, two steps back with you. Obama isn't the one trying to politicize the disaster and "BP will pay" isn't all he's done or all he mentioned in the speech. You are being ridiculous, and to borrow your line, it makes you look like a idiot.
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http://www.politico.com/arena/

Comments on Obama's speech from the left and right.

Edit: More commentary. They're all saying the same thing... Obama had little in the way of substance inhis speech.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t ... .html#more
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Embar, just because I didn't like the speech, doesn't make the point that you RUN here to post negatively at the drop of a hat over everything he does and you would have posted negatively if he delivered a great speech. He would have had to knock it OUT OF THE PARK for you to even grudgingly admit he didn't fail miserably.

Lurker, I don't know, I expected it to be less blah blah blah and that there would be more ideas, calls-to-action that didn't feel half-ass, and general substance.....*that certain something* you look for from your country's leader in times of trouble. If I knew what he should do, I would be going into politics. If you look at the Jon Stewart segment I posted, even though it's comedy, it's satire...but sadly, it's also pretty spot on in some areas. He's still a hell of a lot better than what we had and what we could have ended up with, so I'm not saying that I'd do anything differently, but I do wish he would try living up to the spirit of his promises.

I guess I'm getting weary of (what seems like) all talk with regard to financial reform, regulation, big banks and oil spills.
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I wouldn't call Obama's first Oval Office speech concerning the largest environmental disaster in US history "the drop of a hat"....
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I'm talking about all your other posts, not just this one. I knew you'd be the one to post this first because you do try to tabloid-headline everything associated with this administration. It's hard to take the threads you post seriously, because you tend to do that.

I'm certainly not saying this isn't a worth thread itself.
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