The Fatty McFatterson Disease

[Minute]

People baffle me. Calling this a disease isn't going to help, it's going to give fat lazy fucks an excuse. What a load of shit.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/201 ... e-ama.html

[Ddrak]

I can see it as a disease, but it all depends on your definitions and what you're trying to achieve.

Dd

[Taxious]

Get over yourself Minute, not everyone was raised the same way as you. I'm glad you haven't experienced being overweight firsthand, but it's extremely ignorant to pass it off as the "fat lazy fuck fatty mcfatterson disease".

[Alluveal]

If it allows people to better get the help they need (both preventative and after the fact), then I don't see the problem? The hope is that people get better, that they get healthy. I would think that's goal #1.

[Freecare Spiritwise]

Looks like you're trying to build yourself up by putting others down. There are lots of paths through life, and every one of them is valid.

[Tarfang_Trubasher]

By calling it a disease, there is hope certain treatments outside of normal healthcare might actually get treated. An example would be people who cannot get mental help for eating disorders or self-confidence issues. I wonder how this will change wellness programs moving forward too, or gym memberships.

-TF

[Xican]

I understand that by getting this categorized as a disease it opens up a lot of avenues for people to seek help with their weight issues. I support that.

Having said that, I gotta say... I'm with Minute on this one. The vast majority of the 'obesity epidemic' in the US isn't caused by glandular disease or anything else medically debilitating. It's caused by over indulgence, ridiculous portion sizes and poor activity levels. I find it hard to swallow that people are so soft skinned these days (unintentional pun?) that they need to be swaddled and told that they have a disease and to seek medical help, rather than being told the cold hard truth of; "If you put down your second McRib and go for a jog, you'll be in better shape."

While I see the positives that can come from this, I see it largely as another sign that people nowadays really are weak.

[Alluveal]

I don't argue that people might use this as an excuse. That's a given across the board, but if it helps peeps, I'm happy!

[Massterloo]

75% of us Fatties will use it will be used to get Disability.
I think I'll look into it.

[Harlowe]

We can look at it as an action that may improve resources, education, information, research, and help with the problem, because it is a huge problem (no pun intended).

Or we can be children and go HAHAHAH FAT FUCKERS FUCKING LAZY CUPCAKE FUCKS GOT A DISEASE. What color should their ribbon be? White WITH SPRINKLES??!! BOOYAAA!

Whatever floats your boat.

[Ddrak]

I can see a problem if the easy path to disability payouts. I can see an aid if it helps people get better access to programs that help them put down that McRib.

Dd

[Minute]

Lol. Tax, I was raised in a poor home that didn't promote health at all. Every member of my adult family, save myself, is overweight. That "how I was raised" argument is just another bullshit excuse. There are a very slim few medical reasons for a person to be obese & the rest are just excuses. I do what I can to promote fitness & activity. If I actually believed that labeling this a disease would help people become healthier, I would be all for it. That is not what this is. This is just another enabling method that will give people even more excuse to make poor decisions.

I'm all about real ways to address obesity, but labeling it a disease is not one of the ways. I'm against this because I believe it will do considerably more harm than good.

[Harlowe]

Honestly, I don't think we can actually do anything WORSE for this situation at this point. If you label something a disease, it's not saying it's "okay" or "nothing you can do about it" it's saying it's something WRONG with you, so you need to address it imo.

[Taxious]

Every member of my adult family, save myself, is overweight.

So you are passing judgement about something you have never experienced?

[Freecare Spiritwise]

I'm all about real ways to address obesity

I'm curious to know how consistently denigrating obese people is even remotely part of a real solution to their obesity. Seems like you're pretty fuckin' far from being all about anything but bigotry in this thread.

[Minute]

Every member of my adult family, save myself, is overweight.

So you are passing judgement about something you have never experienced?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here Tax? What judgement is there to make? If you do not have an actual medical reason for being obese, which very very few do, then yes. You are only fat because of the choices that you make.

As far as me being experienced, I'd consider myself more experienced than most. Have I ever been fat? Nope. Been chubby a few times while injured. It's not relevant though. I've worked with dozens of people for more than 15 years to change unhealthy eating habits & increase activity levels. I have seen adults who have been fat all of their lives make the decision to change. They didn't do it because of people enabling them and telling them that it was ok if they were fat because they had a disease.

As far as my methods, I am vocal about my disdain for unhealthy life choices like these, but that isn't the same as belittling someone. I wouldn't call anyone names to try & motivate them. I do stay very honest with them though. And I'd put my success rate up against anyone who thinks coddling & enabling is the way to go. One of the girls I've been working with for 3 years is down 137 lbs. Every aspect of her life has changed.

In my opinion it's more of a social issue than anything else. That's why I promote the team/group fitness so much. Most obese people I even begin working with don't do anything outside of work & home. It's not until being healthy & active becomes a part of their lives that they really change. That's the reason I fucking hate going to the gym & seeing people trudging away on the treadmills. They are like forcing themselves to do something they hate. Shit is cray.

[Harlowe]

In my opinion it's more of a social issue than anything else. That's why I promote the team/group fitness so much. Most obese people I even begin working with don't do anything outside of work & home. It's not until being healthy & active becomes a part of their lives that they really change. That's the reason I fucking hate going to the gym & seeing people trudging away on the treadmills. They are like forcing themselves to do something they hate. Shit is cray.

So you hate people making an effort in a way that isn't ideal to you? Really? Why not look at those people as teaching/mentoring opportunities to do some good, rather than people to be hateful about. It's just a shame someone with your knowledge and background would post such a belittling and childish thread like this.

[Ddrak]

/shrug. I'm a fatty and Minute just sounds to me exactly the same as any decent PT would sound.

Dd

[Harlowe]

Doesn't sound like any of the PT's I've worked with. Maybe you work with assholes. I definitely wouldn't call being derisive a "decent" PT, are you sure you've actually worked out with personal trainers? They've always been very results oriented, serious, motivating and not at all demeaning about people.

[Minute]

Haha. I love it when Harlowe gets riled up. Anyway, fuck it. I'm buying stock in Rascal Scooters.