Genetics Savings and Clone

Laylee · Post by **Laylee** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:04 am

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... cloned_cat

$50,000 would have saved a LOT of cats from being killed....

And who ever named the company "Genetics Savings and Clone" should be shot.

Laylee

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:03 pm

I've always said if cats were so cool you couldn't just go to the pound and get one for free.

Nobody's giving away horses and cows. Because they're not USELESS.

(yeah, yeah, I own a cat. But it was feral and it hates people so it suits me just fine.)

Syeni Soulslasher MK6 · Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:36 pm

Who cares about saving cats from being killed? Seems to me they wanted 1 cat not a shit load of saved cats.

Only thing I don't like about cloning is the cost but that will come down..

Narith · Post by **Narith** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:43 pm

I only have 2 problems with cloning, one does not apply to pets assuming you are not breeding them which is the use of 2 genitic donors in order to mix genetics to create a new life, with cloning you only have 1 donor... However for pets not used for breeding it doesn't matter anyways since thier genetics are not used to create new life.

The other problem Ihave is more of a question, if you take the genes from a 17 year old cat and clone it will the clone not have 17 year old genetics meaning it will be a kitten but at the end of its life? Now correct me if i am wrong it has been a long time since I have learned this, but when you age there are these bands of material at the end of your genetic structure that die off. As you get older the bands become shorter and shorter causing the aging process. Now if you take the genes from a 17 year old cat which the material would be almost non-exsistant and cloned it would the material still be non-exsistant or does the material renew itself on the newly duplicated genes?

maltheos · Post by **maltheos** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:07 pm

THe items you are refering to a re telomeres. They are manufactured via the actions of an enzyme called telomerease( sp? on both). In an embryo that enzyme is active, and should ( to some degree) build up the telomeres. The clone may well have a (somewhat) shorter life span as it may well not build up as much in the way of telomeres as a normal embryo, but if you think about it even natural embryos come from cells that are somewhat aged. Especially if the parents in question are older.

Torakus · Post by **Torakus** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:35 pm

An added benefit is that this same enzyme is what is responsible for metabolizing cocaine. Clone a human enough times sequentially and the result would be a person totally incapable of metabolizing cocaine. One sniff and that fucker would be flying forever.

Torak

Aabe · Post by **Aabe** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:29 pm

maltheos wrote: but if you think about it even natural embryos come from cells that are somewhat aged. Especially if the parents in question are older.

Somatic cells replicate repeatedly over your life time, each replication snipping off a bit of the tail. Germ cells on the other hand do not snip as it were, so a 30yr old creating an egg from a germ cell does not have the shortened life span built into the egg. If you could clone from the egg DNA or from a germ cell, you would be fine, no lost life span, but if you clone from skin or some other somatic tissue thats been reproducing, you get the shortened lifespan built in to the new clone.

Lord Holervabeese · Post by **Lord Holervabeese** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:37 pm

I'd just like to know why someone would pay $50,000 for a cat in the first place, but I digress.

Personally I'm not entirely sure we should start offering cloned animals off the assembly line yet, if ever. I'm not really a cat lover, but God knows this can't be good to these animals. If we're doing it right the theory is that they're living perfectly normal lives and just look the same. To start I'm not sure we're doing it right now and if we are I'm not sure that we know enough about this to just start mass producing them, boxing them up, and shipping them off. And that's all this n00blet has to say for now.

Riggen · Post by **Riggen** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:13 pm

Actually from what I understand germ cells do indeed experience telomere damage as they are replicated, but that damage is repaired via the action of telomerase.

Burz · Post by **Burz** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:27 pm

Lord Holervabeese wrote:I'd just like to know why someone would pay $50,000 for a cat in the first place, but I digress.

Clearly too much spare money and need to give some to me for my hooker addiction.

Aabe · Post by **Aabe** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:05 am

Burz wrote:
Lord Holervabeese wrote:I'd just like to know why someone would pay $50,000 for a cat in the first place, but I digress.
Clearly too much spare money and need to give some to me for my hooker addiction.

So Burz are you saying you are for less money for the cats and more for the cat houses??

Partha · Post by **Partha** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:41 am

Less money for cats, and more money for pussy! Admit it, you'd vote for it.

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