LOL @ Eschatological Theologists

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:21 am

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_b ... ory=634679

It was Caligula all along? Tee hee.

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:24 am

Amusing.

The article also marks the author of Revelation as being the wrong John, I believe. The disciple of Jesus named John was John the Baptist, yes? And JtB did not write Revelation, right?

Taxious · Post by **Taxious** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:27 am

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:30 am

John the Baptist != the Apostle John who wrote the Gospel of John and Revelation. (JtB died before all that stuff happened.)

There is some speculation that the Apostle John is also not the author of Revelation, but that's a can of worms.

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:34 am

Oh, and the article doesn't mark it wrong. John as disciple of Jesus would refer to the Apostle John. Jesus was more like a disciple of John the Baptist. (So called because he baptized Jesus.)

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon May 02, 2005 9:49 am

OK. I thought it was something like that, but kinda confusing.

I had always been given to understand that the Gospel John and the John who authored Revelation were not the same John.

Klast Brell · Post by **Klast Brell** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:12 am

Just for your information 616 is a Michigan area code

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:13 am

If it's the UP, I'm converting.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:35 am

SicTimMitchell wrote:John the Baptist != the Apostle John who wrote the Gospel of John and Revelation. (JtB died before all that stuff happened.)

There is some speculation that the Apostle John is also not the author of Revelation, but that's a can of worms.

I think it's prettty cut and dried. The chances that the author of the fourth gospel is the same person as the author of the book of Revelation are slim to none.

Although both were written in Greek, the gospel is nearly flawless in its grammar, while Revelation is filled with grammatical errors. Language experts make a good case that the author of Revelation probably used Greek as a second language, and the grammatical mistakes point to a person who was fluent in some Semitic tongue, probably Aramaic.

That's the glaring reason, the grammar, but there are lots of more sublte differences too.

Post by **Ddrak** » Mon May 02, 2005 10:53 am

I hadn't heard that before, Embar - very interesting though. Got any refs or should I google it?

Dd

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:02 am

Here's one

http://crain.english.mwsc.edu/revelation/

But I just did a google and there are plenty more out there.

SicTimMitchell · Post by **SicTimMitchell** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:04 am

Embar,

I don't believe Revelation was written by the same author as the Gospel of John myself.

But there are people who'd probably want to stone me to death for saying so.

Embar Angylwrath · Post by **Embar Angylwrath** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:06 am

Yeah.. those Evangelicals can get a little uppity sometimes.

Post by **Ddrak** » Mon May 02, 2005 11:43 am

Thanks for the link Embar. It's usually better to get one recommended than take pot luck with Google. :)

Of course, I could have just looked at the intro to Revelation in my NIV. Had a small discussion on it. Slacker I am.

Dd

Fobbon Lazyfoot · Post by **Fobbon Lazyfoot** » Mon May 02, 2005 5:52 pm

All the world's satanic graffitti has just be rendered meaningless.

Angelfeeties · Post by **Angelfeeties** » Tue May 03, 2005 6:46 am

pwnt gg

rajavengerGIA · Post by **rajavengerGIA** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:43 am

does slipknot have to hcange their lines from if your 555 im 666 to if your 505 im 616????

Aquinas · Post by **Aquinas** » Wed May 04, 2005 12:42 am

The Apostle John, who tradition holds, wrote the gospel of John, 1st, 2nd, and third John, and Revelation is referred to as John the Beloved. John the Baptist was killed early in Jesus' career.

Grygonos Thunderwulf · Wed May 04, 2005 11:49 am

Jesus isn't plural .. Jesus's would be correct... sorry... possesive plural errors bother me...

Post by **Relbeek Einre** » Wed May 04, 2005 12:01 pm

If an number of Jesuses had a smaller number of crosses, would one Jesus have to share another Jesus's cross or would they all be the collective Jesuses' crosses?

Am I going to hell with an apostrophe crammed up my ass for asking?